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Fascism at work.... - max - 12-16-2013
The old fascist propaganda technique instead of arguing ideas, to besmirch an ideological opponent by casting guilt by association.
In fact it is unnecessary for that association to be factual. In fact it is usually not.
But the the typical tactic is to "suppose". To bury a "what if" in the aspersion.
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,1656668,1656918#msg-1656918
Here is a perfect example where one of our posters took an unpopular position on GW.
He could have been argued with, ridiculed by being shown up as being wrong, he could have been ignored, instead he was accused by that old fascist methodology, first to being an implied member of some right wing conspiracy:....
davester wrote: Our pet troll is not the only one...there is a vast right wing blogosphere that seizes on any fiction they can to push this idiocy.
then, building on step one, another poster adds inferred guilt by unproven association of hating and bashing vegans and vegetarians:
$tevie wrote:
There's a certain kind of odd mentality at work there. Like the folks who become angry about vegetarians. Not disdainful, not amused, not dismissive. They become actually ticked off and talk about how upsetting they find vegetarians, and especially vegans, and even talking about forcing them to eat meat or beating them up or some such.
as step three he becomes a gay basher:...
davester wrote:
Expanding on what $tevie said, perhaps these are the same folks who assault gays and minorities and fight to take away their rights just because they feel threatened by them.
Re: Fascism at work.... - davester - 12-16-2013
max wrote:
Here is a perfect example where one of our posters took an unpopular position on GW.
The poster you are referring to doesn't take any position, popular or unpopular. He, she or it does nothing but post repetitive blind links to nonsensical trash with the obvious intent of filling the forum with trash and antagonizing those who actually come to a discussion forum to discuss things.
Re: Fascism at work.... - max - 12-16-2013
davester wrote:
[quote=max]
Here is a perfect example where one of our posters took an unpopular position on GW.
The poster you are referring to doesn't take any position, popular or unpopular. He, she or it does nothing but post repetitive blind links to nonsensical trash with the obvious intent of filling the forum with trash and antagonizing those who actually come to a discussion forum to discuss things. True, he did not post an argument of his own, but maybe half of the OPs initiated by others, threads that you have no objections to, are started by only two or three other members.
It was clear from the title of his thread and the link he posted, he was questioning the postulate of human causes for GW....
Re: Fascism at work.... - cbelt3 - 12-16-2013
This 'ism' behaviour you mention is common human behavior. Facism ? no. Just humans being human. In fact the 'blind link' behavior is also common human behavior... there is always a subset of humanity who will happily seek confusion and chaos in order to satisfy themselves.
It's all part of the entertainment for me.
Re: Fascism at work.... - max - 12-16-2013
cbelt3 wrote:If you find this normal, cbelt, you have been hanging with the fascist wingnuts way too long,
This 'ism' behaviour you mention is common human behavior. Facism ? no. Just humans being human. In fact the 'blind link' behavior is also common human behavior... there is always a subset of humanity who will happily seek confusion and chaos in order to satisfy themselves.
You have been assimilated....
Re: Fascism at work.... - August West - 12-16-2013
This 'ism' behaviour you mention is common human behavior. Facism ?
I didn't get that, either. It's a well known logical fallacy, not an invention of one ideology or another.
Re: Fascism at work.... - max - 12-16-2013
August West wrote:The fallacy is that I attributed "invention" of the technique to one ideology or another.
This 'ism' behaviour you mention is common human behavior. Facism ?
I didn't get that, either. It's a well known logical fallacy, not an invention of one ideology or another.
Read the OP again. The statement was quite clear....
max wrote:
The old fascist propaganda technique instead of arguing ideas, to besmirch an ideological opponent by casting guilt by association.
In fact it is unnecessary for that association to be factual. In fact it is usually not.
But the the typical tactic is to "suppose". To bury a "what if" in the aspersion.....
The OP is about totalitarian propaganda use of the technique made common by organs of Fascist parties.
In case you still dont get it. Fascists institutionalized its use.
Others are trying to practice it here....
Re: Fascism at work.... - August West - 12-16-2013
Fascists institutionalized its use.
And my point is the behavior was used by humans, including groups of humans, long before the term "facism" was invented. How is it that facism made this technique "common?" Call a logical fallacy a logically fallacy, why the need to drag ideology into it? Are you suggesting this "technique" was not common to communists, nationalists, socialists, tsarists, religion, or any other institution until facism used it? I think you are overreaching.
Re: Fascism at work.... - max - 12-16-2013
August West wrote:
Fascists institutionalized its use.
And my point is the behavior was used by humans, including groups of humans, long before the term "facism" was invented. How is it that facism made this technique "common?" Call a logical fallacy a logically fallacy, why the need to drag ideology into it? Are you suggesting this "technique" was not common to communists, nationalists, socialists, tsarists, religion, or any other institution until facism used it? I think you are overreaching.
Common? To a degree.
Institutionalized? No.
Not until Fascists used it on the industrial scale. With an entire departments solely dedicated to its use, then, when in power, government Ministries.
When it comes to the institutionalized industrial use, I will grant you Communists from Stalin on.
Fallacy? Still no.
My point stands as postulated....
Re: Fascism at work.... - August West - 12-17-2013
I think we might be talking past each other, I did not mean your position on fascism's use of a particular propaganda technique was a fallacy, I was referring to guilt by association as a logical fallacy that existed in humankind long before fascism was categorized.