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Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
>>At this point would it be possible to say the desire to bring OBL to justice wasn't really partisan? Everybody wanted this.
No, that's not fair to say. People have been saying for quite some time that violence is counter-productive in the middle-east . Now it is exactly what we've needed all this time, just because a democrat is doing it. I think it's pretty apparent when people put politics above principles, and this is yet another example. It's sad, no matter which side does it. kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - $tevie - 05-04-2011
kj, that is such a crock I can't believe you posted it.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
Carnos Jax wrote:
kj, brotha, you're making up stuff now...don't fall to Dak's level. This is all really simple. Obama saw a very specific opportunity and he took it, that's a far cry from having a belligerent attitude like GW did. You might even have a fringe few that may be confused, but that doesn't apply to most Democrats. Applying the same logic then you can say Republicans are racist pricks (among other extrapolations).
I consider this "name calling", which is frankly below Dakota's level, at least most of the time. If you think I've made something up, just make your case. I don't think I've "made up" anything. I think the reactions that people have had are really interesting. That's all. kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - OWC Jamie - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
>>Is he suggesting that if the Allies had the opportunity to assassinate Hitler, they should not? HUH?!? Even without the benefit of hindsight, I would have to disagree with that on several points.
I don't get it either, but I think a fair summary of his point of view would be that u.s. violence in the middle east is counter-productive.
As far as killing OBL, I'm not sure exactly what the tangible pay-off is. Maybe it will prevent future attacks, but at the same time, he hasn't been real successful in the last 10yrs., so I don't know. And then there's the killing people over there spawns hundreds more terrorists mantra. kj.
fortunately the mideast is slowly attritioning the oppressive autocratic regimes - from whence the support for extremism thrives ( the brainwashed call this Bush's foreign policy failures as if repeating it often enough will make it so)
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Grace62 - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
>>At this point would it be possible to say the desire to bring OBL to justice wasn't really partisan? Everybody wanted this.
No, that's not fair to say. People have been saying for quite some time that violence is counter-productive in the middle-east . Now it is exactly what we've needed all this time, just because a democrat is doing it. I think it's pretty apparent when people put politics above principles, and this is yet another example. It's sad, no matter which side does it. kj.
Again, you're trying to say that opposition to Bush's disastrous 7 year foreign policy and for support for this single mission are incongruous. They are not.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
$tevie wrote:
kj, that is such a crock I can't believe you posted it.
Sorry, I think it's true. kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - August West - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
Thumbs up for the idea that the u.s. using violent means in the middle east is counter-productive and a thumbs up for obama using a violent approach in the middle east.
I believe that you are misreading the article. Hedges writes about an imperialistic nationalism, citing the string of US bases in the Middle East and the large scale invasions(from my memory, I didn't reread the link.). I think if you look at Hedges' article you will see that he did not focus on Obama, and IIRC did not even mention him(again I didn't reread). Hedges is portraying bin Laden's assassination as a footnote to an entirely greater process. You are trying to compare two different scenarios because they both contain violence and it does not apply in this case.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - $tevie - 05-04-2011
You really can't tell the difference between a full-tilt war in a foreign country, and killing the leader of Al Qaeda?
Ten years has given a lot of people amnesia, it appears. I can't remember people b!tching about the idea of catching bin Ladin back when Bush was promising us that he would.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/sept11/2001/12/14/bush-binladen.htm
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Pam - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
>>At this point would it be possible to say the desire to bring OBL to justice wasn't really partisan? Everybody wanted this.
No, that's not fair to say. People have been saying for quite some time that violence is counter-productive in the middle-east . Now it is exactly what we've needed all this time, just because a democrat is doing it. I think it's pretty apparent when people put politics above principles, and this is yet another example. It's sad, no matter which side does it. kj.
Trying to force a country to be democratic by invading them (think Iraq) is not the same as going into Pakistan to get a wanted criminal.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Grace62 - 05-04-2011
billb wrote:
fortunately the mideast is slowly attritioning the oppressive autocratic regimes - from whence the support for extremism thrives
true
( the brainwashed call this Bush's foreign policy failures as if repeating it often enough will make it so)
what? Bush propped up Mubarak and the others...Your comment makes no sense.