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Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Grace62 - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
[quote=Grace62]
[quote=kj]
>>I have also never claimed that Bush's foreign policy was responsible for the Kashmir incident.
You actually did by posting an article that supposedly supported your claims. You've got the rest wrong, but not because I wrote it incorrectly, but because you read it incorrectly. kj.
The "claim," which you questioned, was whether or not the number of incidents of international terrorism increased or decreased post-9/11. You questioned that, and I posted something showing that the number went up.
As for the rest, if you want to explain yourself further, go ahead.
We're always to happy to clear up misunderstandings.
If you look back, the number that went up after Bush's response included events like the Kashmir incident, etc. , that to my knowledge had nothing to do with his foreign policy. It didn't support your assertion, at all, unless you can show he had some hand in causing them. kj.
I obviously never said that Bush policy led directly to every post-9/11 terror event, as you want to imply. The context is that Bush policy did not make the world safer, as he claimed repeatedly during the 2004 campaign, and as was shown conclusively by the explosion of terror events in the middle east following our invasion of Iraq.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - $tevie - 05-04-2011
The Chris Hedges piece is a very opinionated piece of writing, expressing how Chris Hedges feels. Why kj feels Hedges has written some sort of Bible about this topic is beyond me. If you look at truthdig.com, it is filled with all sorts of pretty radically "progressive" articles ( "Sarkozy May Recognize Palestinian Statehood" ) ( "The Republican Attempt to Redefine Rape, Reprised" ) ( "‘Populist’ Outrage Over TSA Scanners Was Anti-Union PR Campaign" ) so why this one article is so special to kj is a mystery to me. Does he think it represents the people on this board whom he considers "lefties"? Or does he think it represents a rebuttal to them?
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - OWC Jamie - 05-04-2011
Grace62 wrote:
[quote=billb]
[quote=Grace62]
[quote=billb]
fortunately the mideast is slowly attritioning the oppressive autocratic regimes - from whence the support for extremism thrives
true
( the brainwashed call this Bush's foreign policy failures as if repeating it often enough will make it so)
what? Bush propped up Mubarak and the others...Your comment makes no sense.
well, I'm so glad there's nothing more to the whole of the mideast than mubarak.
I never mentioned Mubarak - probably why you can't make sense of it.
So, overthrowing oppressive regimes in the Middle East..right now..has nothing to do with Egypt? OK then.
um, attritioning is not overthrowing
you haven't been reading in the news about rebels ousting long time rulers ?
It's pretty fascinating history in the making.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - $tevie - 05-04-2011
Pam wrote:I agree.
Lol! The right really cannot stand this! The statements made in this thread, other threads, even on other sites shows the tremendous struggle to find a chink in this event. But the more they try the more absurd and irrational it gets.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - OWC Jamie - 05-04-2011
time for the vast right wing conspiracy to Godwin the thread.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - davester - 05-04-2011
kj wrote: ...Either way, Obama just did a very republican/conservative/moderate thing. Again. Status quo. kj.
Complete nonsense. What Obama did has nothing to do with where he lies on the political spectrum.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
davester wrote:
[quote=kj]...Either way, Obama just did a very republican/conservative/moderate thing. Again. Status quo. kj.
Complete nonsense. What Obama did has nothing to do with where he lies on the political spectrum.
Poppycock, my good fellow! His approval rating with Republicans is skyrocketing. I wonder why? kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - davester - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
[quote=davester]
[quote=kj]...Either way, Obama just did a very republican/conservative/moderate thing. Again. Status quo. kj.
Complete nonsense. What Obama did has nothing to do with where he lies on the political spectrum.
Poppycock, my good fellow! His approval rating with Republicans is skyrocketing. I wonder why? kj.
You have a habit of taking apples and referring to them as oranges. The approval rating among republicans has no bearing on your original statement.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
Grace62 wrote:
[quote=kj]
[quote=Grace62]
[quote=kj]
>>I have also never claimed that Bush's foreign policy was responsible for the Kashmir incident.
You actually did by posting an article that supposedly supported your claims. You've got the rest wrong, but not because I wrote it incorrectly, but because you read it incorrectly. kj.
The "claim," which you questioned, was whether or not the number of incidents of international terrorism increased or decreased post-9/11. You questioned that, and I posted something showing that the number went up.
As for the rest, if you want to explain yourself further, go ahead.
We're always to happy to clear up misunderstandings.
If you look back, the number that went up after Bush's response included events like the Kashmir incident, etc. , that to my knowledge had nothing to do with his foreign policy. It didn't support your assertion, at all, unless you can show he had some hand in causing them. kj.
I obviously never said that Bush policy led directly to every post-9/11 terror event, as you want to imply. The context is that Bush policy did not make the world safer, as he claimed repeatedly during the 2004 campaign, and as was shown conclusively by the explosion of terror events in the middle east following our invasion of Iraq.
This is what you said: "The short term impact of Bush's foreign policy was that terror attacks increased all over the world."
You're saying something different now. You did not back up the statement I took issue with. The numbers of terrorist events that increased, and you referenced, were in fact world wide, but had nothing to do with Bush's policies, as far as I know. kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Grace62 - 05-04-2011
kj, prior to the invasion of Iraq, al Qaeda was not operating in Iraq. Not only did they move in after the invasion, but they are now responsible for ongoing instability and violence in that country. If you need to pretend that Bush made the world safer, or that his policies did not lead to vastly increased violence, go ahead. It changes nothing.