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Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - davester - 10-08-2010
Grace62 wrote: Bring some facts to support your view that putting money to buy necessities into the hands of the poorest people doesn't go directly into the local community and support jobs.
You're going to lose here Grace. Facts and logic cannot combat soundbites and propaganda. Do you really think that Trouble is at all interested in looking at the logic of his statements? The fact is that Pelosi's statement is essentially correct and it is an old statement that is being dredged up by the right wing nutters because it allows them to vilify welfare receivers and Pelosi all at the same time. Trouble is simply doing the bidding of his masters by spreading the propaganda around.
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - $tevie - 10-08-2010
Straight from Limbaugh's "Stack of Stuff Quick Hits Page" for October 7, 2010:
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_100710/content/01125104.guest.html
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - Ted King - 10-08-2010
Okay, I've done more than one search for the speech you are talking about and can't find a video of it or a transcript. Would you please post a link.
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - Grace62 - 10-08-2010
davester wrote:
[quote=Grace62]Bring some facts to support your view that putting money to buy necessities into the hands of the poorest people doesn't go directly into the local community and support jobs.
You're going to lose here Grace.
I'm not here to win or lose Dave. Just to have a discussion. If Trouble wants to participate, he will.
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - Grace62 - 10-08-2010
Ted King wrote:
Okay, I've done more than one search for the speech you are talking about and can't find a video of it or a transcript. Would you please post a link.
Pelosi was right: Economists agree
From Pelosi's July 1 news conference: (accessed via Nexis)
PELOSI: When the economy turns down, there is a compact that we have that there is unemployment insurance for those who, through no fault of their own, lose their job, and we owe them that. It is a safety net, not just for those individuals but for our whole system, our whole system. It goes in cycles.
I think we further have to address the fact that we need to create many, many more jobs so that people's economic existence is not so dependent on cycles.
[...]
Now, let me say about unemployment insurance, we talk about it as a safety net and the rest. This is one of the biggest stimuluses to our economy. Economists will tell you this money is spent quickly. It injects demand into the economy, and is job creating. It creates jobs faster than almost any other initiative you can name because, again, it is money that is needed for families to survive, and it is spent. So it has a double benefit. It helps those who have lost their jobs, but it also is a job creator. And for that reason, for those two reasons, at least, it should be passed, and I am optimistic that it will.
It is impossible to think of a situation where we would have a country that would say we are not going to have unemployment benefits and that the only people who want them are people who don't want jobs. That is just so contrary to what our country is about, and I reject that misrepresentation of the motivation for people to be on unemployment insurance.
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - Ted King - 10-08-2010
Grace62 wrote:
[quote=Ted King]
Okay, I've done more than one search for the speech you are talking about and can't find a video of it or a transcript. Would you please post a link.
Pelosi was right: Economists agree
From Pelosi's July 1 news conference: (accessed via Nexis)
That's from July, too, like the one I cited. But Trouble said he was referring to something she said on the "6th" - which I interpreted to mean as Sept. 6th. Mostly I'm interested in what he said in the OP - that Pelosi supposedly stated that conservative economists gave her that advice. I was wondering if it might be Reagan's former economic advisor, Martin Feldstein, who has been advocating a second stimulus package since he doesn't think the first is doing enough.
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - Grace62 - 10-08-2010
Oh, sorry Ted. He's talking about her Oct. 6 press conference in San Francisco, where she replied to Gingrich's comments. It was at some mattress manufacturing company. Sorry, no link and I'm not going to look. She gives a press conference every week, it's probably transcribed somewhere.
This is a really basic math word problem. Gingrich and others are just making themselves look silly by going after this.
Gingrich: "I don't understand
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - $tevie - 10-08-2010
Gingrich and others know damn well that you can wave around the term "Food Stamps" and get a lot of people's knickers in a knot, regardless of what the quote(s) may contain.
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - Grace62 - 10-08-2010
Yes, absolutely. There's a pretty sad war war of words underway at Fox News against food stamps and other assistance for the poor:
Reality need not apply
Re: Speaker Pelosi "If you want to create jobs, the quickest way to do it is to provide more funding for food stamps and - Trouble - 10-08-2010
Grace62 wrote:
[quote=Trouble]
[quote=Acer]I'm all for encouraging people to take care of themselves, but it's hard to complain about food stamps without sounding like a selfish bastard.
If your comment was directed at me, I'm not complaining about food stamps. I'm just pointing out Pelosi's warped view of the the quickest way to create jobs.
What is "warped" about that particular comment? Bring some facts to support your view that putting money to buy necessities into the hands of the poorest people doesn't go directly into the local community and support jobs. What other action puts cash into the economy more quickly than this? (And we're talking about immediacy in this particular comment, not long term solutions, which the Speaker has addressed separately on many occasions.)
What is warped is that you are ignoring the quote. The quote is not about about "...putting money to buy necessities into the hands of the poorest people..." The quote is not about putting money into the economy. The quote is ""If you want to create jobs, the quickest way..."
Surely, you don't think the quickest way to create jobs is to massively fund food stamps and extend unemployment past 2 years?
Again, the quote is about the quickest way to create job.