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Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - (vikm) - 06-23-2011
Just another example of the Government seeming to have it all backwards, imo.
For as secretive as our Government can be about some things that I feel we should know, this is just the opposite. I'd prefer they didn't make the TSA strategy readily available. It makes no sense. The best way to combat this type of thing is to keep everyone guessing. If they done "studies" and developed a method of determining who is a risk and who isn't, apply them without announcing it (but include a means of making sure it isn't abused).
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - N-OS X-tasy! - 06-23-2011
(vikm) wrote:
The best way to combat this type of thing is to keep everyone guessing. If they done "studies" and developed a method of determining who is a risk and who isn't, apply them without announcing it (but include a means of making sure it isn't abused).
In other words: Profiling.
I agree.
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - Black - 06-23-2011
Fritz wrote:
Wish I felt like driving Vegas to NY. But at least no one copped a feel today.
Glad to be leaving this fsckin dump.
How large of a vehicle would you need to drive Vegas to NY? And where would you put it once you got there?
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - Black - 06-23-2011
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
[quote=(vikm)]
The best way to combat this type of thing is to keep everyone guessing. If they done "studies" and developed a method of determining who is a risk and who isn't, apply them without announcing it (but include a means of making sure it isn't abused).
In other words: Profiling.
I agree.
I'm sure you read in the OBL aftermath that he purposely chose minorities to carry out his plans because he liked the idea that it could undermine that which makes the USA what it is by fomenting distrust across racial and ethnic lines.
Profiling= terrorists win.
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - N-OS X-tasy! - 06-23-2011
No one said anything about racial profiling. Interesting that that's where your mind went, though.
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - Black - 06-23-2011
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
No one said anything about racial profiling. Interesting that that's where your mind went, though.
Feel free to clarify what you meant then.
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - (vikm) - 06-23-2011
You can profile things not based on race (and without speaking for him, I think that's what we both meant).
As an example, the guy that buys a plane ticket with cash only (which I think is one of the things they actually do). A one way ticket may be "odd". Any of the criteria by themselves may not set off any alarms but if enough of them all seem to match one specific traveller, I'm all for singling them out.
Additional non-terrorist related profiling could be the guy wearing the trench coat on a 90 degree day as he walks into a bank. The list goes on and on.
Sure, race could be abused. It's certainly not something that needs nor should be used. I'd go so far as to say that by doing so would undermine the success of appropriate means of profiling.
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - M A V I C - 06-23-2011
This is good news. It was very frustrating to have my then 10mo old have his clothes removed and be patted down by TSA because we had baby food that we wouldn't throw out, and it was on the exemption list. (The airport we were at didn't have the equipment needed to test anything for bomb residue on the outside.)
It was a cold airport, there was snow piled up outside... but we were not allowed to keep him bundled up. Had to take his shoes off even though they were essentially just leather socks (no hard sole, laces...) just because they were "shoes". Thought of you with kids probably have an idea how much a 10mo old enjoys being pulled away form his parents, have his clothes removed and then patted down while he was on a cold, stainless steel table.
Black wrote: Profiling= terrorists win.
How so? Terrorists want us dead. If we profile, we're not dead. How do they win?
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - OWC Jamie - 06-23-2011
M A V I C wrote:
. Thought of you with kids probably have an idea how much a 10mo old enjoys being pulled away form his parents, have his clothes removed and then patted down while he was on a cold, stainless steel table.
you mean like at the dr's office getting a shot ?
or ear, nose, throat exam ?
Re: PSA on TSA: No more pat-downs for children - N-OS X-tasy! - 06-23-2011
(vikm) wrote:
You can profile things not based on race (and without speaking for him, I think that's what we both meant).
As an example, the guy that buys a plane ticket with cash only (which I think is one of the things they actually do). A one way ticket may be "odd". Any of the criteria by themselves may not set off any alarms but if enough of them all seem to match one specific traveller, I'm all for singling them out.
Additional non-terrorist related profiling could be the guy wearing the trench coat on a 90 degree day as he walks into a bank. The list goes on and on.
Sure, race could be abused. It's certainly not something that needs nor should be used. I'd go so far as to say that by doing so would undermine the success of appropriate means of profiling.
Yes.