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Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - davester - 03-27-2012
cbelt3 wrote:
100% of politicians who voted for it did not understand the whole thing. Ditto about 100% of voters.
Standard false republican talking point. There are plenty of information sources that explain it as simply or in as much detail as you want. The only people who don't understand it are those who choose not to learn. Here for example: http://www.healthcare.gov/
I understand why people don't like it. It started off as a pretty decent concept with a public option to keep the insurance industry in check, but that was nuked by the republicans as "socialism" and the plan we ended up with was largely a crappy retread of a Romneycare, which the conservative Heritage foundation took credit for creating. The architects of the plan we got were republicans, but they have now disavowed all knowledge of their participation and are trying to defeat it in order to bring down Obama.
The plan gives far too much to entrenched insurance and medical special interests and doesn't do enough to contain costs, hence a lot of annoyed democrats. The republicans are annoyed simply because they've been worked into a frenzy of collective amnesia by their lockstep propaganda-meisters Limbaugh, O'Reilly, and the crazy people running as presidential candidates. Even Romney has reversed himself so as to "stay on message".
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - cbelt3 - 03-27-2012
davester, that's a summary sales pitch site. I'm talking about the details.. what rules were changed where, how it affects doctors, insurers, etc. Not just the insured.
I think you may have unwittingly proved my point. It's a case of the blind men and the elephant. Most folks think about it from the insured's perspective.. the trunk. Not the tail or the feet.
As a part owner of the United States of America (Hey.. I'm a citizen and a taxpayer and a voter !) I wanted to understand exactly WHAT they voted in. And of course the political talking points are all about different bits and pieces rather than the extensive changes to the US Code as a whole.
Oh.. and the MOST important metric of all..
Have your health cost gone down or UP ????
Mine are up, up, up , baby !
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - Lux Interior - 03-27-2012
cbelt3 wrote:
Mine are up, up, up , baby !
As a result of what?
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - Grace62 - 03-27-2012
Lux Interior wrote:
[quote=cbelt3]
Mine are up, up, up , baby !
As a result of what?
exactly
Most provisions of the ACA go into effect in 2014. And that part of it is not at all hard to understand.
cbelt,
The language of the ACA bill is not more complicated than the standard health insurance contract between your employer and your health insurance company. Is your employer able to understand what he/she signs every year on your behalf?
If your congressman is telling you he couldn't understand the bill, I'd be looking to replace him.
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - OWC Jamie - 03-27-2012
davester wrote:
Even Romney has reversed himself so as to "stay on message".
He's been couching states rights to implementation ( A la Massachusetts ) for quite a while. When did that change ?
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - graylocks - 03-27-2012
billb wrote:
He's been couching states rights to implementation ( A la Massachusetts ) for quite a while. When did that change ?
Santorum's been reaming Romney on the fact that a few years ago Romney suggested Obama take a look at Massachusetts to see how healthcare could be done, the implication being that Romney was suggesting the plan could be nationalized.
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - Grace62 - 03-27-2012
Romney wrote an op-ed for USA Today back in '09 suggesting to Pres. Obama how the successful Mass. plan could be translated to a federal plan. At that time he praised the individual mandate as necessary in order for such a plan to work.
He changed his tune after he started running for the 2012 ticket.
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,1327132,1327132#msg-1327132
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - $tevie - 03-27-2012
cbelt3 wrote: I tried. I really tried. I spent perhaps 20 hours trying to figure the damn thing out, but it's like trying to understand spaghetti "C##" code that's commented in Chinese. And I don't read Chinese, OR C##.
And did you have personal staff members and congressional staff members to help you with this project? Why oh why do people insist on pretending that legislators have to sit around plowing through these documents unassisted?
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - Ted King - 03-27-2012
Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
The results also needs to split up into the people who think it should be stronger, from the ones that don't like it just because the Democrats pushed it this time versus the Republicans.
Definitely! Fortunately, the Kaiser Family Foundation has done just that:
http://www.kff.org/kaiserpolls/8285.cfm
03/12
Expand the law: 28%
Keep law as is: 19%
Repeal and Replace: 18%
Repeal and NOT replace: 23%
Don't know/refuse: 12%
47% want to keep the law as is or expand it, 41% want to repeal it (with some also wanting it replaced). So that "47% disapprove" result is misleading because it gives the impression that 47% want it repealed when in fact several percent of those who don't approve of it don't approve of it because they think it doesn't go far enough but are not in favor of having it repealed.
More info:
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2012/03/snapshot_032312.html
Re: Poll: 47% of Americans disapprove of Obama health care law - OWC Jamie - 03-27-2012
Grace62 wrote:
Romney wrote an op-ed for USA Today back in '09 suggesting to Pres. Obama how the successful Mass. plan could be translated to a federal plan. At that time he praised the individual mandate as necessary in order for such a plan to work.
He changed his tune after he started running for the 2012 ticket.
http://forums.macresource.com/read.php?2,1327132,1327132#msg-1327132
Ah, so it was Romney who turned Obama around from his refusal to back the Individual Mandate back in 2008 ?