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Re: "Some girls rape easy" - $tevie - 10-11-2012
He told the Journal Sentinel that his father had advised him not to have premarital sex, and he took that seriously.
"He also told me one thing, 'If you do (have premarital sex), just remember, consensual sex can turn into rape in an awful hurry,' " Rivard said. "Because all of a sudden a young lady gets pregnant and the parents are madder than a wet hen and she's not going to say, 'Oh, yeah, I was part of the program.' All that she has to say or the parents have to say is it was rape because she's underage. And he just said, 'Remember, Roger, if you go down that road, some girls,' he said, 'they rape so easy.'
"What the whole genesis of it was, it was advice to me, telling me, 'If you're going to go down that road, you may have consensual sex that night and then the next morning it may be rape.' So the way he said it was, 'Just remember, Roger, some girls, they rape so easy. It may be rape the next morning.'
"So it's been kind of taken out of context."
The context is that his father told him to watch out for girls who would sleep with him and then cry rape. In other words, it's not that you don't have premarital sex because of morality or caution or a desire to know your partner better before do so. You don't have premarital sex because there are women out there who are going to try to "get you" and if it wasn't for them, premarital sex would be fine.
Classic effort to push all the "blame" for sex and/or violence onto the evil witchy women. It's an offensive remark in OR out of context.
http://www.jsonline.com/news/statepolitics/state-legislator-criticized-for-comments-on-rape-hj76f4k-173587961.html
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - Uncle Wig - 10-11-2012
Rivard was relating, in colorful language, what he'd been told by his dad. August, do you really think that no girl or woman has ever had consensual sex and later claimed rape? It does seem as if you merely skimmed the article and focused on the bit that could get Rivard in political trouble. Rivard's statement doesn't come anywhere close to Akin's in terms of ignorance and insensitivity.
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - August West - 10-11-2012
I don't see the words "some girls are easy to rape."
Then you failed to read the title of the article. Reading comprehension is as important as contextualization.
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - cbelt3 - 10-11-2012
August West wrote:
Your misrepresentation of me failed to address my questions to you and to defend your position that this advice was "quite accurate." Please explain how this advice is "quite accurate."
Gotcha. Sorry for putting words in your keyboard and for being impolite. I must have 'had a bad day' :biggrin:
I can't quote caselaw, but the advice I gave my boys on this very topic (along with a box of condoms) was something along the lines of "If you and a young lady love each other, and are SAFE, and you're sure she's OK with it, go ahead." The existence of 'joke' 'Consent to Affair' forms is another bit of societal proof that the 'consensual sex or rape' question is not as infrequent as one would hope.
I also advised my boys to never, ever, ever take a drunk or stoned girl to bed.
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - August West - 10-11-2012
August, do you really think that no girl or woman has ever had consensual sex and later claimed rape?
Firstly, I did not "skim" the article, I read it. Secondly, please see $tevie's explanation, it is quite similar to mine. Father did not tell son to understand the importance of a relationship, not to know the woman he is having sex with, not to respect women he has intimate relations with, he told his son that some women are blameworthy and not to be trusted, nor respected. A political leader furthered the mockery of women by such a vile attitude in the context of his campaign. It's disgusting and your attitude of focusing on women first for the alleged problem, disregarding what may or may not have happened to the 15 year old girl mentioned by the political leader, is an illustration of the environment these attitudes have created. If anything, the 15 year old was statutorily raped. I believe anything and everything can happen under the sun, but don't you see a problem with your question?
Edited for grammar: cbelt is right about one thing, perpetuating attitudes like this enrages me, thus my typing suffers.
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - Manlove - 10-11-2012
August West wrote:The title of the article-
I don't see the words "some girls are easy to rape."
Then you failed to read the title of the article. Reading comprehension is as important as contextualization.
"Rep. Roger Rivard criticized for 'some girls rape easy' remark"
Where does it say what you say? Reading comprehension is important: you read something and try to make it fit your comprehension of the situation it seems. You made up a phrase and then try to assign it to someone and when I ask you where it says what you say, you tell me I can't read. Are you blind, stupid or both?
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - August West - 10-11-2012
Are you blind, stupid or both?
I thank you for your concern about my condition, I'd prefer if you worry about the 15 year old who was raped in a bathroom, and, according to a political leader. might simply have told the boy to have sex with her and regretted it the next day. Statutory rape laws aside that is.
Regarding what the rest of your post, you are correct. I did not make myself entirely clear and engaged in sloppy writing, operating from my memory of reading the article. Responding to a post that was less than clear (perhaps if you quoted the actual statement you were referring to), I thought you were taking issue with the title of this thread. Likewise, I should have quoted the article rather than using my memory. However, I did not intend to alter the father's statement; I left my intentions unclear with sloppy writing. My intention was to convey the father's thought that girls were easy to rape in the legal sense, not that girls were easy to rape in a violent physical sense. I apologize for my lack of clarity and hope I have explained it.
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - August West - 10-11-2012
August West wrote:
Let me ask, in the context of the article, what do you find acceptable in this GOP politicians reiteration of his father's advice that "some girlsare easy to raperape easy." Do you find in it an attitude that fosters respect? Does it stop the spread of these vile attitudes? How do you find this to be "quite accurate" advice? I have to consider this a new low for you.
Fixed,
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - cbelt3 - 10-11-2012
August, it's all good.
The minute none of us is allowed to feel rage at some silly politician's comments.. that's the minute someone is shoveling dirt on top of us.
I salute your constitutional right to be annoyed ! :patriot:
Re: "Some girls rape easy" - decay - 10-11-2012
the original statement by that guy's father may have a small element of truth, but more often a horny male hears "no" and thinks it means "yes."
not to say a woman has never felt shame and changed her mind.
not to say a jury might side with a woman when it comes down to he said-she said.
not to say guys aren't pigs a large percentage of the time.
sexist language from the olden days is archaic, has its place in jokes, but not in serious conversation.