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Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - Article Accelerator - 10-16-2013
tortoise wrote: OH GEE is that not a familiar claim that Steve and Apple used to strive for? "It just works" as I remember?
Safari "just works" for me and pretty much always has. I don't use any plug-ins.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - silvarios - 10-16-2013
I've had a lot of problems with Safari as well. I have older hardware and so I always chalked it up to lagging behind the cutting edge. I've been pretty happy with Firefox the last year or two. Opera is usually in the toolbelt as well. Safari stays around as a backup.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - mattkime - 10-16-2013
I prefer chrome but thats mainly because the developer tools are better. I don't doubt that 32-bit vs 64-bit counts somewhere but its not a common case.
Aside from something crappy in the system either browser should be a joy to use.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - tortoise - 10-16-2013
Chakravartin wrote:
"Ill advised" because you didn't fix the underlying problem before the upgrade.
OS upgrades tend to exacerbate problems rather than fixing them.
...And people sounding off in Apple's forums are by definition not the people with solutions.
I am having difficulty with your logic Chakravartin, Safari was working prior to the upgrade so what underlying problems are you referring to?
The upgrade had nothing to do with Safari, it was made because some of his clients had security concerns regarding his outdated OS and his business involves plastic injection molding that is in direct competition with the Chinese and as a result he has been the target of documented attempts to get inside his firewall. (This is company with 35 employees and annual revenue in the multi-millions that runs exclusively on Macintosh computers). Another vendor handles his security issues, I only deal with the remaining aspects of his Macintosh computers. We always approach upgrades cautiously as something like this incident can quickly cost him a lot of money when his system is down. I spent almost a full day prepping the computer before installing the upgrade using all available utilities including command line AppleJack and others I have learned over the past 15 years and all indications were that the system was healthy. So your logic defies me, Safari was working pre update, after update not working and even senior Applecare advisor was unable to fix.
Regarding your comments on the people sounding off in the apple forums I know how to filter out the chafe on forums and identify serious issues affecting many users. One of the simplest yardsticks is the lifespan of a given thread on the forums, when a thread has continued new postings on the same subject for two or three years then in my simple mind that is likely something to take notice of. Both of these particular issues on Safari, the upgrade from Leopard to Snow Leopard and the ongoing memory leak have long histories going back several years, so I think there really is a problem that is not to be so quickly dismissed.
Looking forward to your reply.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - kj - 10-16-2013
Don't get me wrong, I prefer Chrome for a lot of good reasons. But I think they need to make it 64bit to avoid stability problems, if nothing else. I don't buy their excuses. Could it be due to compatibility with their analytics? I obviously don't have much knowledge related to how that stuff works. kj.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - Chakravartin - 10-17-2013
tortoise wrote:
Looking forward to your reply.
My reply:
Applejack before an OS upgrade? Not unless you think something's broken.
This is what you do on a seemingly healthy Mac before jumping from 10.6.8 to 10.8.5: Check that the machine meets the minimum requirements; Check the System Profiler to make sure that the client doesn't have PPC apps that s/he needs to replace; Check backups; Check SMART Status; Verify the disk with the DU and if you're in the mood and really paranoid, repair permissions while you're there.
That's it.
All your "utilities" and Applejack? Not a move that a pro makes unless he's convinced that something's wrong and if he's convinced that something's wrong then he doesn't jump two OS versions.
A pro charges by the hour and completely unnecessary time-consuming "utilities" should never come into play nomatter how gullible and needy a client is.
BTW: You can probably fix that Safari problem - and the other problems that you created - by trashing the contents of ~/Library/Caches and rebooting.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - tortoise - 10-17-2013
Chakravartin wrote:
[quote=tortoise]
Looking forward to your reply.
My reply:
Applejack before an OS upgrade? Not unless you think something's broken.
This is what you do on a seemingly healthy Mac before jumping from 10.6.8 to 10.8.5: Check that the machine meets the minimum requirements; Check the System Profiler to make sure that the client doesn't have PPC apps that s/he needs to replace; Check backups; Check SMART Status; Verify the disk with the DU and if you're in the mood and really paranoid, repair permissions while you're there.
That's it.
All your "utilities" and Applejack? Not a move that a pro makes unless he's convinced that something's wrong and if he's convinced that something's wrong then he doesn't jump two OS versions.
A pro charges by the hour and completely unnecessary time-consuming "utilities" should never come into play nomatter how gullible and needy a client is.
BTW: You can probably fix that Safari problem - and the other problems that you created - by trashing the contents of ~/Library/Caches and rebooting.
Once again we are speaking in different languages, I will make a final comment and we can discontinue this banter as you have your opinions and I have mine. I went from 10.5 to 10.6, not 10.8 as it is totally incompatible with several of his essential business applications. AppleJack identified and replaced several corrupt preference files, as well a through and efficient cleaning of cache files, on system and user profiles. Disk Warrior flagged just shy of 150 issue with the directory and I never do major system upgrades without first ensuring these basic steps and other too numerous to list here. A "pro" in my opinion does not go charging into major upgrades without these basics that have served me and my clients very well in the past 15 years.
The contents of ~/Library/Caches followed by reboot were some of the basic troubleshooting performed with the first level tech at AppleCare and produced no change, the senior level support tech tried a lot more some I had never seen but again with no improvement.
Your rather curt dismissal of these problems as being created by me suggests to me that you have a rather simplistic view of this issue, have not carefully read my previous response as you don't even correctly identify the operating systems involved, and as such I see no need of discussing any further. My client is happy and running just fine without Safari and has full confidence in my abilities and work that have kept his current 12 mac computers running just fine for the past 10 years, as well as the dozen PC computer prior to the Macs that he went to on my recommendation. Have a good day Chakravartin, I always come to these forums to learn and share experiences and knowledge and with an open mind but at this point I am not going to learn anything from you based on these discussions, and it is obvious you think you know way more than me so you are not interested in anything I might have to say.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - Chakravartin - 10-17-2013
tortoise wrote: I went from 10.5 to 10.6, not 10.8
Sorry. I did miss that.
You write so much that it got a bit lost in the mess.
tortoise wrote: I am not going to learn anything from you based on these discussions, and it is obvious you think you know way more than me so you are not interested in anything I might have to say.
Right on both scores.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - silvarios - 10-17-2013
Wait, this Safari?
Erik Barzeski wrote:
Seriously, it’s 2013. I have 32 GB of RAM. And Safari still craps out all the time and has to reload every page I’ve loaded with as few as 20 tabs open.
http://nslog.com/2013/02/12/safari_still_craps_out_too_frequently
and
Michael Tsai wrote: Ever since the Safari Web Content process was split off in Lion and sandboxed (the Safari application remains unsandboxed), I’ve been getting into situations where pages stop responding until I quit and relaunch Safari.
http://mjtsai.com/blog/2013/03/18/safari-still-craps-out-too-frequently/
I have/had much older and less powerful Mac hardware and I definitely don't enjoy using Safari except for quick posts like this. I reset Safari fairly often to keep it pristine and uninstalled Flash.
Re: Chrome is 32bit only? - silvarios - 10-17-2013
Here's another link specific to the version of Safari compatible with Snow Leopard/Lion:
http://www.macworld.com/article/1161975/bugs_fixes_safari_maladies.html
I'm with tortoise, Safari definitely has its own fair share of problems. Let's not get crazy here and pretend it's some how immune to bugs.