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Re: Saudi-Led Coalition Bombs School Bus Full of Kids - Pam - 08-10-2018
Obama increased sales to allies to replace aging equipment and also to arm allies to avoid putting US boots on the ground.
Yemen is a very tough situation. All of the coalition parties do not have the same long term goals. In general I don't get the feeling that there is enough concern for the civilian population. No matter the goals, bombing a school bus is inexcusable.
Re: Saudi-Led Coalition Bombs School Bus Full of Kids - Acer - 08-10-2018
Remember when the right was championing Obama's arm sales in the middle east during his administration? No, I don't either.
Re: Saudi-Led Coalition Bombs School Bus Full of Kids - Pam - 08-10-2018
Acer wrote:
Remember when the right was championing Obama's arm sales in the middle east during his administration? No, I don't either.
The right was against everything Obama wanted, just because. They have shown their true colors x 100 with Trump.
Re: Saudi-Led Coalition Bombs School Bus Full of Kids - Lemon Drop - 08-10-2018
billb wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
1. Looking at page 17 of the Congressional Research Service report
conveniently no link to a myriad of CRS reports
It's no secret Obama became the biggest arms broker since WWII
It's inside the link provided by max, the Vice article. Glad you're interested bill!
https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/R44716.pdf
Re: Saudi-Led Coalition Bombs School Bus Full of Kids - max - 08-12-2018
max wrote:Nice little strawman diversion, but we're not discussing worldwide sales, were we, Lemon?
[quote=Lemon Drop]
1. Looking at page 17 of the Congressional Research Service report (not the hyperbole in the Vice article linked above) you see that US agreements to sell weapons worldwide DECREASED while Obama was in office.
You were the one that brought up Obama increased Saudi sales and that part of the article was quoted...
Lemon Drop wrote:Another excuse for Obama military sales to Saudis, another strawman, Isreal being OK with Saudi said sales does not sell your false claim one iota, they are still the largest increase of arm sales of arms to SA, before present.
in 2010, Obama did make a $60 billion deal with SA that was about containing Iran's nuclear weapons program. The size of this deal is an outlier. The Israelis were apparently OK with it because the stuff they buy from us is more sophisticated.
The inconvenient truth, you are so ardently trying to wiggle out from, Lemon, about Obama arms sales to Saudi Arabia:....
When Donald Trump is asked to justify his trip to Saudi Arabia, he’ll cite that $110 billion in arms sales.Why were you silent, Lemon?
There are a few interesting things about these sales. The first is that many of these sales were already in the works. The Obama administration spent eight years quietly selling a lot of arms to Saudi Arabia: When President Obama left office, for example, the United States still had $100 billion in the foreign military sales pipeline with Saudi Arabia and, in 2011, had inked what was previously the largest arms sale in U.S. history with the Kingdom—a $29 billion deal to sell F-15s to the Saudis.
Obama-era sales to Saudi Arabia were in keeping with sales to other Gulf states: Both Qatar and the United Arab Emirates bought a tremendous amount of U.S. arms between 2009 and 2017. Qatar bought more U.S. arms than any other state in 2014 and, in the waning days of the Obama administration, announced that it would buy nearly $4 billion in Boeing-made F-15s in addition to $19 billion in commercial aircraft, also from Boeing.
Overall, the Arab Gulf states went on a spending spree during the Obama years, and most of the money was spent on American arms.
So why didn’t you hear a lot about this from Democratic politicians during the 2016 election season?
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/americas-right-to-sell-arms/527805/
The significant part you are so busy trying to obfuscate is the Democratic lack of alternative you claim would make a difference.
Your choice of candidate was not only even a greater warmonger, bur totally bought and paid for with Saudi money...
And no, I am not defending Trump, nor am I condemning Obama for this, I have no position in the matter, just highlighting your flaming hypocrisy, your false narrative, your revisionism, your false outrage...
DeusxMac wrote:
I am a troll and although I cannot argue your point, but I highly resent that you can and find highly inconvenient.
bfd wrote:
Me too.
Me too.
Somehow I am not surprised, that neither one of the two trolls can actually argue a subject....
The question still remains, Lemon, why were you silent then,
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/05/americas-right-to-sell-arms/527805/
...and your personal responsibility for the election of the present regime you are blaming for the very same behavior of the one you supported.....
Re: Saudi-Led Coalition Bombs School Bus Full of Kids - DeusxMac - 08-12-2018
max wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
I am a troll and although I cannot argue your point, but I highly resent that you can and find highly inconvenient.
bfd wrote:
Me too.
Me too.
And yet again max constructs phony quotes of others, demonstrating his flagrant mendaciousness.
Re: Saudi-Led Coalition Bombs School Bus Full of Kids - max - 08-12-2018
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=max]
[quote=DeusxMac]
I am a troll and although I cannot argue your point, but I highly resent that you can and find highly inconvenient.
bfd wrote:
Me too.
Me too.
And yet again max shows us up, demonstrating his flagrant ability to illustrate us for what we truly are.
Besides your flaming max obsession, you still have not touched the subject under discussion, have you, DeusxMac?.....