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Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - deckeda - 04-26-2021
Lemon Drop wrote:
No drugs found in his car or home.
7 deputies on leave, 3 others resigned at the same time.
Good article about the conservative court decision that framed today's policing methods. Prior to this 1980s case, they killed fewer people. It does not have to be this way.
Split-Second Decisions: How a Supreme Court Case Shaped Modern Policing https://nyti.ms/32OsMdY
I would also note that protests to date in Elizabeth City, population 18k, have been well attended but peaceful. This state of emergency is al little dramatic I think.
There's a really good Radiolab episode from last summer that goes into the Graham decision, i.e. the "reasonable cop" standard that got manufactured from convenience. Highly recommended: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/graham
Actually the episode might be older than that and they just re-ran it last summer? Regardless, they could be re-running it ad infinitum until everyone realizes it wasn't always like this.
Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - Lemon Drop - 04-26-2021
deckeda wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
No drugs found in his car or home.
7 deputies on leave, 3 others resigned at the same time.
Good article about the conservative court decision that framed today's policing methods. Prior to this 1980s case, they killed fewer people. It does not have to be this way.
Split-Second Decisions: How a Supreme Court Case Shaped Modern Policing https://nyti.ms/32OsMdY
I would also note that protests to date in Elizabeth City, population 18k, have been well attended but peaceful. This state of emergency is al little dramatic I think.
There's a really good Radiolab episode from last summer that goes into the Graham decision, i.e. the "reasonable cop" standard that got manufactured from convenience. Highly recommended: https://www.wnycstudios.org/podcasts/radiolab/articles/graham
Actually the episode might be older than that and they just re-ran it last summer? Regardless, they could be re-running it ad infinitum until everyone realizes it wasn't always like this.
Thanks I will check that out.
To fix this we need to better understand how we got here.
Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - Ted King - 04-26-2021
Lemon Drop wrote:
No drugs found in his car or home.
7 deputies on leave, 3 others resigned at the same time.
Good article about the conservative court decision that framed today's policing methods. Prior to this 1980s case, they killed fewer people. It does not have to be this way.
Split-Second Decisions: How a Supreme Court Case Shaped Modern Policing https://nyti.ms/32OsMdY
I would also note that protests to date in Elizabeth City, population 18k, have been well attended but peaceful. This state of emergency is al little dramatic I think.
That is an excellent article. I think the crux of the Court's decision comes down to this:
Many critics say the standard’s narrow focus on the moment an officer pulls the trigger obscures questions about the many choices that led up to the confrontation, noted Rachel Harmon, an authority on police law at the University of Virginia. For example, she said, did the officer rush recklessly into danger or take steps to defuse the situation?
An officer is allowed to use the whole context of things that lead them into an interaction with a citizen that can come to a detainment and arrest, including their own personal experiences as a law enforcement officer, yet they can act as judge and jury in a split second and we are supposed to not take into account the context around what lead to that split second decision to shoot? We allow officers extremely wide latitude in claiming they have probable cause to detain you and extremely wide latitude in how aggressive they can be with you while detaining you and extremely wide latitude in accepting an officer's personal feelings of fear for themselves or others in the moment they choose to shoot someone. Too damn much latitude!
As for prospects of constricting the latitude officers get, this is depressing (from the article):
But Mr. James, general counsel of the Fraternal Order of Police, brushed off all the efforts at legislation and said he was not worried. Even if states or Congress pass stricter standards “that trump Graham v. Connor,” he said much would depend on whether judges continue to instruct juries, as they often have since the ruling, about the inherent risks of second-guessing an officer’s split-second decision.
Still, I'll bet there are things that can be done through legislation that can withstand the Court's muster. The most success may come from cities and states changing laws and policing practices where those changes can be made.
Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - Sarcany - 04-26-2021
According to North Carolina law, police body camera footage can only be released to the public with a court order.
I smell the need for a very strong consent-decree.
Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - Sam3 - 04-27-2021
btfc wrote:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=mCQMfb6v_bc
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Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - Lemon Drop - 04-27-2021
Attorney Ben Crump and the family of 42 year old Andrew Brown said results of an independent autopsy showed he was shot 4 times in the arms and once in the back of his head.
The deputies approached him in his driveway. Witnesses say he had both hands on the wheel and started to move the car when killed.
Family is calling it an execution.
Does not appear that anyone was in danger, except of course the unarmed man killed by these heavily armed deputies.
Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - Lemon Drop - 04-27-2021
And the FBI and DOJ have opened a civil rights investigation into this killing. That was far
I like this Merrick Garland.
Re: City calls for State of Emergency before releasing webcam footage - btfc - 04-27-2021
Listened to the Radiolab episode last night; interesting.