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Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - Acer - 04-27-2021
Confession: We've been going generally unmasked when outdoors the entire pandemic, but keeping our masks at the ready, though, in case quarters get tight.
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - NewtonMP2100 - 04-27-2021
....1,000 hail marys.......!!!
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - deckeda - 04-27-2021
This doesn't change much. You still won't know if someone else was vaccinated nor will they know about you. So you're back to making and distancing, and they should be also.
After all, if you're outside and no one's really around, it wouldn't matter if you're vaccinated or not since the risk there is nil.
They could use stronger language, just go right up to the line of requirement: "We want you to go to ballgames, concerts, parties, and back to the office, but only if you're fully vaccinated."
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - p8712 - 04-27-2021
I will stick with a mask at least through the end of the year.
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - wurm - 04-27-2021
Sarcany wrote:
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Grocery shopping last night, at least half of the other shoppers were unmasked. I was guessing that some of them were vaccinated and decided that they were over masking.
While my local grocery stores still have mask-mandates, they've stopped enforcing when people have their masks pulled down under their noses.
...I saw a guy double-masked with both pulled down below his nose.
And I saw an idiot in self-checkout with his mask pulled down below his nose and mouth. Well, at least it was covering his chin. :RollingEyesSmiley5:
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - $tevie - 04-27-2021
I worry that people will walk around without masks using the excuse "I've been vaccinated" even though they have not. I wish the CDC had kept this under their hat.
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - Ca Bob - 04-27-2021
I think there is a point in telling people the truth. Yes, it may rebound on you when some fools extend what you told them into more risky behavior, but the damage done by lying or obscuring is to make yourself doubted and mistrusted no matter what you say.
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - PeterB - 04-27-2021
$tevie wrote:
I worry that people will walk around without masks using the excuse "I've been vaccinated" even though they have not. I wish the CDC had kept this under their hat.
I think the REAL problem is a significant lack of understanding of science and medical things by the general public. For example, the idea that you cannot get sick if vaccinated. Or any sort of understanding about how things are transmitted. One of my favorite YouTubes to illustrate this concept is one that someone here posted a long while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - RgrF - 04-28-2021
PeterB wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
I worry that people will walk around without masks using the excuse "I've been vaccinated" even though they have not. I wish the CDC had kept this under their hat.
I think the REAL problem is a significant lack of understanding of science and medical things by the general public. For example, the idea that you cannot get sick if vaccinated. Or any sort of understanding about how things are transmitted. One of my favorite YouTubes to illustrate this concept is one that someone here posted a long while back: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5-dI74zxPg
The constant dis-unified drip of information adds up. Today MIT released a study that found social distancing (6 feet) was a fallacy. Whether factual or not this sort of thing gets weaponized by political types - types who don't give "rats ass" if people get sick or if they die but are willing to use the pandemic to further their drive for power.
The process of collecting and disseminating accurate public information is intentionally sabotaged by entities like Fox News and Murdoch publications. It's a mess out there and hard to see a way to clarify anything without first getting a handle on the disinformation channels that operate under 1st amendment protections.
Re: Hey screwups: NO MASK=>Outdoors Only, If You're Vaccinated, No Crowds! - Sarcany - 04-28-2021
RgrF wrote:
The constant dis-unified drip of information adds up. Today MIT released a study that found social distancing (6 feet) was a fallacy...
Not at all.
It's nuanced. And also NOTHING WE DIDN'T ALREADY KNOW IF WE'VE ALL BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/04/27/mit-study-indoor-transmission-airborne/
The common six-foot social distancing guidance on its own may not be enough to protect people from contracting the coronavirus while spending time indoors, according to a report that examined the virus’s airborne transmission risk.
Researchers from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology argued that not all indoor settings are the same, varying by size, ventilation, air filtration, occupancy and the nature of the activity. While the core premise of the study isn’t new, the research offers more details (and a handy online risk-assessment calculator) to help people better understand what factors in a given indoor setting may increase their risk for catching the coronavirus.
“For airborne transmission, social distancing in indoor spaces is not enough, and may provide a false sense of security,” Martin Z. Bazant, an MIT chemical engineering professor and the paper’s lead author, told The Washington Post in an email...
Of course, one way to address this is to always wear a mask as well as respecting social distance when working/socializing indoors.
“Efficient mask use is the most effective safety measure, followed by room ventilation, then filtration,” Bush told The Post in an email. “And risk increases with the number of occupants and the exposure time, so one should try to spend as little time as possible in crowded indoor spaces.”
...The researchers stressed their findings do not suggest that social distancing is ineffective — only that it does not provide sufficient protection in the particular indoor circumstances calculated in their models.
RgrF wrote: Whether factual or not this sort of thing gets weaponized by political types - types who don't give "rats ass" if people get sick or if they die but are willing to use the pandemic to further their drive for power.
Not disagreeing with that at all.