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Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - Speedy - 08-04-2021
Being against vaccination is proof enough that a person has a cognitive disability. You can’t fix stupid.
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - p8712 - 08-04-2021
Marc Anthony wrote:
Religious or philosophical exemptions to vaccination are coming from a place of irrational fear and willful ignorance. If you won't vaccinate because a fetus was aborted in 1985 and led to some cells that advanced science, then you might want to abstain from receiving medical care of any kind, because there's a sordid history involving some past medical discoveries, and those advances led to other advances.
Henrietta Lacks would agree with this! At least her family has.
After seeing bizarre religious arguments of the past year, and the deification of Trump, I am more atheist than ever. No way to these people have anything figured out and our no way attuned to some sort of higher power.
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - PeterB - 08-04-2021
... and you'll notice that his religious exemption makes specific reference to New Testament quotations, which are inapplicable to most religions other than Christianity (as mentioned in the article). So -- you're talking about making a religious exemption for only ONE specific religion, not all of them.
I suppose if I go walking into my job or school and refuse to get vaccinated or to mask, I'm allowed to do so on the basis of the fact that the FSM has told me that the vaccines are poisons created by an orange blob, and masks are a no-go because they hide our faces, a manifestation of the touch of His Noodly Appendage?
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - Ted King - 08-04-2021
PeterB wrote:
... and you'll notice that his religious exemption makes specific reference to New Testament quotations, which are inapplicable to most religions other than Christianity (as mentioned in the article). So -- you're talking about making a religious exemption for only ONE specific religion, not all of them.
I suppose if I go walking into my job or school and refuse to get vaccinated or to mask, I'm allowed to do so on the basis of the fact that the FSM has told me that the vaccines are poisons created by an orange blob, and masks are a no-go because they hide our faces, a manifestation of the touch of His Noodly Appendage?
That's one the biggest problems with religious exemptions - how are you going to separate "real" religious objections from "bogus" religious objections? What's the standard for a sincerely held religious belief? And what if a non-religious person has a sincerely held belief against the same thing as the religious person? Are they out of luck because their sincerely held belief isn't religious? Isn't that discrimination against the non-religious?
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - DeusxMac - 08-04-2021
Ted King wrote:
Isn't that discrimination against the non-religious?
When was it otherwise?
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - pdq - 08-04-2021
Masks lead to anti-social behaviors,
This one caught my eye. Still trying to figure it out. Does he mean all masks, like Halloween masks? Or is it because when someone commits armed robbery at a bank, they may wear a mask? (Kinda confusing cause and effect there).
They may also be carrying a gun, although I doubt that this guy would say that gun ownership leads to anti-social behaviors (which seems to me to have a much better logical likelihood).
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - DeusxMac - 08-04-2021
pdq wrote:
Masks lead to anti-social behaviors,
This one caught my eye. Still trying to figure it out. Does he mean all masks, like Halloween masks? Or is it because when someone commits armed robbery at a bank, they may wear a mask? (Kinda confusing cause and effect there).
They may also be carrying a gun, although I doubt that this guy would say that gun ownership leads to anti-social behaviors (which seems to me to have a much better logical likelihood).
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - Ted King - 08-04-2021
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=Ted King]
Isn't that discrimination against the non-religious?
When was it otherwise?
Mostly never, but I think it's still worthwhile to point it out.
I say mostly never because for some time only people with religious beliefs against war could get a conscientious objector status to being drafted into the military. But in early 1970s:
https://www.mtsu.edu/first-amendment/article/912/conscientious-objection-to-military-service
The Supreme Court was called on to interpret the exemption for conscientious objection and its relation to the First Amendment in Welsh v. United States (1970) and Gillette v. United States (1971).
Section 6(j) of the Military Selective Service Act of 1967 provided, “Nothing contained in this title . . . shall be construed to require any person to be subject to combatant training and service in the armed forces of the United States who, by reason of religious training and belief, is conscientiously opposed to participation in war in any form.”
In Welsh, the Court somewhat creatively interpreted and thereby broadened the phrase “by reason of religious training and belief.” According to the Court, “What is necessary . . . for a registrant’s conscientious objection to all war to be ‘religious’ within the meaning of 6(j) is that this opposition to war stem from the registrant’s moral, ethical, or religious beliefs about what is right and wrong and that these beliefs be held with the strength of traditional religious convictions.”
This should have been a model for all claims of exemptions based on a non-religious person's beliefs that are "held with the strength of traditional religious convictions". Of course, that brings us back to the problem of non-subjectively assessing which beliefs are held with the strength of religious convictions. I mean, if all a religious person has to do to get a religious exemption is point to a passage in the Bible (which is probably contradicted by a different passage somewhere else) then the standard should be really low for non-religious people to be given exemptions as well.
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - PeterB - 08-04-2021
Ted King wrote:
[quote=PeterB]
... and you'll notice that his religious exemption makes specific reference to New Testament quotations, which are inapplicable to most religions other than Christianity (as mentioned in the article). So -- you're talking about making a religious exemption for only ONE specific religion, not all of them.
I suppose if I go walking into my job or school and refuse to get vaccinated or to mask, I'm allowed to do so on the basis of the fact that the FSM has told me that the vaccines are poisons created by an orange blob, and masks are a no-go because they hide our faces, a manifestation of the touch of His Noodly Appendage?
That's one the biggest problems with religious exemptions - how are you going to separate "real" religious objections from "bogus" religious objections? What's the standard for a sincerely held religious belief? And what if a non-religious person has a sincerely held belief against the same thing as the religious person? Are they out of luck because their sincerely held belief isn't religious? Isn't that discrimination against the non-religious?
It also brings up the more basic question of what is a "real" religion and what isn't. Pastafarianism has been sometimes been recognized as one, sometimes not.
And the basic issue -- what do you say to someone who says that they refuse to vaccinate or mask because God told them not to?
Re: The AG of my state has lost his mind - Ted King - 08-04-2021
PeterB wrote:
It also brings up the more basic question of what is a "real" religion and what isn't. Pastafarianism has been sometimes been recognized as one, sometimes not.
Yep. There is no objective criteria to distinguish "real" religion from "fake" religion.
PeterB wrote: And the basic issue -- what do you say to someone who says that they refuse to vaccinate or mask because God told them not to?
Nothing because they are most likely immune to reason. Maybe they would listen to an appeal from a respected leader of their religion, but probably not.