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Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - decay - 10-27-2023
re: OPEN BORDERS, since you insist on using that term:
As the Biden administration grapples with the soaring number of migrants and asylum-seekers at the U.S.-Mexico border, conservative pundits and politicians have upped accusations that some Democrats support "open border" policies.
The big picture: By using the term "open border," conservatives — including Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who is seeking the role of House speaker — are suggesting that anyone can get into the U.S. without much hassle. But the reality is that the southern border is more fortified than it's ever been.
Reality check: Since 1992, the U.S. has quadrupled the number of Border Patrol agents — from less than 5,000 to nearly 20,000 today.
Barriers, walls, and fences have been erected along portions of the 1,951-mile U.S.-Mexico border, in addition to new Border Patrol outposts and high-tech surveillance systems.
The Border Patrol regularly breaks border arrest records, highlighting the difficulty of entering the country illegally.
Most recently, Biden decided to go forward with a border wall in South Texas.
Lines at ports of entry have gotten longer because of new requirements to enter the U.S., putting pressure to expand hours at newer ports of entry like the one in Santa Teresa, New Mexico.
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - Speedy - 10-27-2023
decay wrote:
re: OPEN BORDERS, since you insist on using that term:
As the Biden administration grapples with the soaring number of migrants and asylum-seekers at the U.S.-Mexico border, conservative pundits and politicians have upped accusations that some Democrats support "open border" policies.
The big picture: By using the term "open border," conservatives — including Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, who is seeking the role of House speaker — are suggesting that anyone can get into the U.S. without much hassle. But the reality is that the southern border is more fortified than it's ever been.
Reality check: Since 1992, the U.S. has quadrupled the number of Border Patrol agents — from less than 5,000 to nearly 20,000 today.
Barriers, walls, and fences have been erected along portions of the 1,951-mile U.S.-Mexico border, in addition to new Border Patrol outposts and high-tech surveillance systems.
The Border Patrol regularly breaks border arrest records, highlighting the difficulty of entering the country illegally.
Most recently, Biden decided to go forward with a border wall in South Texas.
Lines at ports of entry have gotten longer because of new requirements to enter the U.S., putting pressure to expand hours at newer ports of entry like the one in Santa Teresa, New Mexico.
Though that fence with Canada needs a lot more work.
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - Speedy - 10-27-2023
Another heartwarming story about defensive gun use. The gunner would likely have been badly beaten if she hadn’t been locked and loaded.
https://www.aol.com/texas-father-shot-dead-while-151211546.html
Texas father shot dead while trying to break teenage daughter's fight, suspect unknown
A father in Texas was fatally shot while trying to break up his teenage daughter's fight with a group of teenage girls, the San Antonio Police Department said.
Officers with the SAPD responded to a shooting in San Antonio's Westside neighborhood at around 9 p.m. on Tuesday. Authorities arrived at the scene to find the victim lying in the middle of the street with gunshot wounds to his torso, said the police.
The Bexar County Medical Examiner's Office named the victim as Gabriel Campos Gonzales, 54, ruled his death a homicide and listed the cause as gunshot wounds to his torso.
Preliminary investigation conducted on scene revealed that a group of teenagers arrived to fight with two other teenage females who lived at the location.
A fight ensued between both groups of teenagers and when Gonzales intervened, he was shot several times by an unknown suspect, who fled on foot said the police.
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - sekker - 10-27-2023
Mr645 wrote:
[quote=pdq]
The majority of Americans do not own a gun and do not want to own a gun (though among those fearful Republicans, it’s close to 50-50).
Why do we not want to own a gun? Because rather than protecting ourselves and our families, having a gun in our home endangers them.
BTW, half of the guns in America are owned by just 3% of Americans; collectors and gun nuts.
Finally, if owning a gun makes you safer, why does the US have (by far!) the highest homicide rate of all developed peers?
We don’t have to live with this mayhem; we don’t have to live in fear. Other countries have left it behind and seen their homicide rates plummet. It just takes the will and the realization that we don’t all need to be ruled by a tiny minority.
If you add all of the planets nations, the USA falls mid pack, further if you remove 5 liberal run cities, Chicago, Baltimore, Houston, Washington DC and New Orleans, the USA suddenly is one of the ten safest countries for gun violence.
First, comparing the richest nation in the history of the world with ANY nation below the 50th%ile is wrong. Second - source. And one that you've actually read, please.
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - Racer X - 10-27-2023
all the charts, graphs and statistics aren't legally relevant.
"There is only one policy enshrined in the Bill of Rights. Guns and ammunition in
the hands of criminals, tyrants and terrorists are dangerous; guns in the hands of law-
abiding responsible citizens are necessary. To give full life to the core right of self-
defense, every law-abiding responsible individual citizen has a constitutionally protected
right to keep and bear firearms commonly owned and kept for lawful purposes. In early
America and today, the Second Amendment right of self-preservation permits a citizen to
“‘repel force by force’ when ‘the intervention of society in his behalf, may be too late to
prevent that injury.’”246 Unfortunately, governments tend to restrict the right of armed
self-defense. Punishing every good citizen because bad ones misuse a gun offends the
Constitution. A state supreme court in 1878 said it succinctly: “If cowardly and
dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must
be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a
constitutional privilege.”247 “Today . . . many Americans have good reason to fear that
they will be victimized if they are unable to protect themselves. And today, no less than
in 1791, the Second Amendment guarantees their right to do so.”
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - DeusxMac - 10-27-2023
Roger Benitez
“…known for his opinions striking down several California gun control laws.”
JD Western State College of Law* - San Diego Campus
nominated by President George W. Bush to a new seat on the Southern District of California
“Benitez was confirmed despite overwhelming opposition from the American Bar Association's Standing Committee on the Federal Judiciary, which rates the qualifications of judicial nominees. A substantial majority of the committee rated Benitez ‘not qualified’…”
*Western State College of Law…a private, for-profit law school
USNWR ranking: 148th-194th (bottom 25%)
Faculty 27
Bar pass rate: 58%
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - RgrF - 10-27-2023
Now, now! You wouldn't be suggesting our gunner friends cherry pick opinions or that their friends at the NRA habitually judge shop, would you?
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - pdq - 10-27-2023
Mr645 wrote:
If you add all of the planets nations, the USA falls mid pack,
Oh, nonsense. I provide data with supporting links and you respond with bogus right-wing assertions that are completely data-free.
If you include countries that are at war, or have long-simmering insurgencies, then we slip all the way down to 53rd out of 206. The vast majority of those not at war or conflict are in the Caribbean or elsewhere in this hemisphere. (Where do you suppose they get their guns?). And we’re still number one among developed peers, by a long shot.
Mr645 wrote: …further if you remove 5 liberal run cities, Chicago, Baltimore, Houston, Washington DC and New Orleans, the USA suddenly is one of the ten safest countries for gun violence.
Double nonsense. Look, here is a map of homicide rates by county:
Or, if you prefer, ranked by state:
Mississippi
Louisiana
Alabama
New Mexico
South Carolina
Missouri
Illinois
Maryland
Tennessee
Arkansas
…telling the same story; the areas with the highest homicide rate/gun homicide/gun violence rate are in the deep red South, where your big bad “liberal-run” cities aren’t, but where the guns are. Seven of the top ten states are “run” by gun-happy Republicans (with corresponding higher number of guns per capita). Florida, BTW, has about double the national homicide rate.
Seriously, do you ever check your data? Or just knee-jerk regurgitate whatever BS you heard?
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - Racer X - 10-27-2023
still not legally relevant.
Socially, yes.
Re: Biden policy affects gun sales - sekker - 10-28-2023
Smote wrote:
still not legally relevant.
Socially, yes.
Please go ahead and let anyone have a gun on a plane, and I will listen to you.