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Re: Gun owners commit less crime - Mr645 - 03-22-2024
mattkime wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
And when law abiding citizens have guns, crime drops
What about suicide?
Mental health care IS health care. The longer we ignore mental health, the longer it will be before we make inroads to prevent suicide, addiction, violence, depression, even homelessness to a degree
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - pdq - 03-22-2024
Mr645 wrote:
And when law abiding citizens have guns, crime drops
A fantasy which flies in the face of reason and empirical evidence. With 300-400 million guns, we should be pretty much crime-free by now. (And polite! No road-rage-showdowns here, by golly!) States with higher gun ownership should have lower, not higher crime rates. And those unfortunate peer countries with waaaay fewer guns than us should be crime-filled hellholes.
But oddly, none of those things are true.
Why is that?
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - sekker - 03-22-2024
Mr645 wrote:
[quote=mattkime]
[quote=Mr645]
And when law abiding citizens have guns, crime drops
What about suicide?
Mental health care IS health care. The longer we ignore mental health, the longer it will be before we make inroads to prevent suicide, addiction, violence, depression, even homelessness to a degree
I'd like BOTH real health care including mental health AND fewer guns in the hands of those who have been brainwashed online to hate someone who doesn't look like them.
Is that too much to ask for?
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - Acer - 03-22-2024
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - wowzer - 03-25-2024
Tiangou wrote:
Maybe you should stop citing figures from sites run by gun-marketers.
Just a suggestion.
Please stop believing anti-gunners who want to eliminate ALL guns from civilian hands and make a police state possible.
The US is the police of the world; if the fight in Ukraine doesn't make this crystal clear, then nothing will. Who gets to police the US government? The people. And don't be naive in thinking that a vote on a ballot is enough to stop a police state from taking all your personal rights away. It is strictly the threat of millions of armed Americans which stop any politician from becoming a dictator in the USA.
If you think any despot would hesitate to shoot all protestors, then you are fooling yourself. A despot who has to combat 88 million armed civilians would have second thoughts...
Just my 2 cents worth.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - wowzer - 03-25-2024
pdq wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
And when law abiding citizens have guns, crime drops
A fantasy which flies in the face of reason and empirical evidence. With 300-400 million guns, we should be pretty much crime-free by now. (And polite! No road-rage-showdowns here, by golly!) States with higher gun ownership should have lower, not higher crime rates. And those unfortunate peer countries with waaaay fewer guns than us should be crime-filled hellholes.
But oddly, none of those things are true.
Why is that?
I believe that guns crime has more to do with income, rather than safety from owning a gun. However, the CDC studied this in 2008 and found 600,000-1.2million defensive gun uses per year. But due to pressure from anti gunners (and Obama), they forced the CDC to remove it:
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/cdc-removed-stats-defensive-gun-use-pressure-gun-control-activists-report#:~:text=The%20stats%20sourced%20from%20a,2.5%20million%20times%20per%20year.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - Acer - 03-25-2024
wowzer wrote:
[quote=Tiangou]
Maybe you should stop citing figures from sites run by gun-marketers.
Just a suggestion.
Please stop believing anti-gunners who want to eliminate ALL guns from civilian hands and make a police state possible.
The US is the police of the world; if the fight in Ukraine doesn't make this crystal clear, then nothing will. Who gets to police the US government? The people. And don't be naive in thinking that a vote on a ballot is enough to stop a police state from taking all your personal rights away. It is strictly the threat of millions of armed Americans which stop any politician from becoming a dictator in the USA.
If you think any despot would hesitate to shoot all protestors, then you are fooling yourself. A despot who has to combat 88 million armed civilians would have second thoughts...
Just my 2 cents worth.
How many of those 88 million would side with the despot? I'd peg it at about 46.8%.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - wowzer - 03-25-2024
Oh and don't believe the liars who make stuff up about how gun related crimes are up. It's only up when progressive mayors stopped enforcing laws. Just look at the recent few years of crimes that spiked when the BLM and antifa protests became riots. The subsequent defunding and lack of law enforcement creates a climate that allows criminals to commit more murders.
I created this graph from FBI stats and the USA facts. Since I only had access to data from 1981 to 2021, that's what I present:
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - RgrF - 03-25-2024
Must be stressful living life feeling surrounded by coy-wolves, especially if you see your own government as a member or even leader of that pack.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - wowzer - 03-25-2024
Average income tax by state:
Average firearm related death by state:
Highly correlative. It's not about crime, its about average income per state that is related to firearm related deaths. Both suicide and homicide tends to be at the hands of those who are financially less well off.
Just my 2 cents on the data.