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Re: What we all knew: despite Musk’s claims, DOGE firings were not based on employees performance - pdq - 03-23-2025
RAMd®d wrote:
I don't know if it's the case in this instance, but in my experience, 'probationary' status means one can be fired/laid off without cause whatsoever.
Labeling it job performance related is just for show, to make those doing the firing seem legitimate.
It's easy to defend, inspire of any employees' accolades on record, because no actual justification is needed to fire someone on probation.
This may be completely different in the Federal arena, or over various Federal arenas.
It may well be different. Federal employees tend to gave greater employment protections than in the private sector.
In any case, are you saying it’s okay to fire probationary employees, and then f’ up their work history by lying and saying it was for poor performance?
Re: What we all knew: despite Musk’s claims, DOGE firings were not based on employees performance - Bill in NC - 03-23-2025
From what I've read mass layoffs/RIFs are not permitted, even for probationary employees, without significant notice & veterans get addition protections under civil service law.
Trying to get around the above by falsely stating employees were fired for performance when they weren't also means personal liability for whomever was...unwise...enough to do that.
All this just costs the federal government more money than just leaving all current employees on the payroll.
Re: What we all knew: despite Musk’s claims, DOGE firings were not based on employees performance - vision63 - 03-23-2025
Musk doesn't care about any of those details. He fires good people working at Tesla by text when they're on their way to work.
Re: What we all knew: despite Musk’s claims, DOGE firings were not based on employees performance - Acer - 03-23-2025
Run the government more like a business.
All the crappy parts of business, like arbitrary layoffs, arbitrary budget cuts, selling off assets to vulture capitalists while papering the C-Suite with checks.
Re: What we all knew: despite Musk’s claims, DOGE firings were not based on employees performance - RAMd®d - 03-23-2025
n any case, are you saying it’s okay to fire probationary employees, and then f’ up their work history by lying and saying it was for poor performance?
FFCS, read what I wrote, not what you infer.
Not ONE fucking word was about any ethical preference.
Don't be a mother-Tucker and mischaracterize my posts.
Re: What we all knew: despite Musk’s claims, DOGE firings were not based on employees performance - $tevie - 03-25-2025
Washington, DC, is an 'at will' state, which means you can get canned for any reason that isn't illegal discrimination. HOWEVER, federal workers is a whole other can of worms. You have to go through a process to fire people, and Elon did not follow that process. That's why they are going after people on probationary status, because it doesn't involve all the red tape. However, there are still some steps you must take, which they did not. And you still can't fire someone, even on probationary status, for illegal reasons. Musk is confusing the federal govt with Tesla and Twitter, where he gets to throw everyone out of work for no reason at all if he cares to (assuming they are located in at will states, and I'm pretty sure he would have seen to that).