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Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - BigGuynRusty - 10-18-2008
MacMagus wrote:I was a "MacHead" before there were Macs!!
> Can you attribute any of these "Murmurs"?
If you were a Mac-head at the time, you had that conversation.
The company I worked for at the time was on the beta test team.
In 1983 we had Macs with Twiggy drives scattered about the lab.
I personally owned a Mac in early February 1984.
I never heard, nor "Had" those "Conversations", but then again, I don't drink, nor do I take mind altering drugs.
BGnR
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - Black Landlord - 10-18-2008
Besides having to agree that the loss of firewire on the macbook is the end of the world, one would have to agree with your premise that anyone besides Jobs has any right to Jobs' medical information to participate here.
MacMagus wrote:
It's a serious question.
Think about his health.
Keeping his medical condition a secret may be against the law and is a disservice to stockholders. If, as as been reported, he kept his cancer secret, ignored medical advice and postponed a potentially lifesaving operation for several months while he tried to cure cancer with a vegan diet -- jeopardizing his life -- he has demonstrated that he does not have the respect for his position -- or his life -- that a CEO should have.
How many people know that he had a follow-up operation a few months ago? Quite a few of us, I'd guess.
Now how many people here know what the operation was? Anyone? No one? Trick question. The best we can get out of Steve and Apple is that it "addressed a problem that was contributing to his loss of weight."
'Think he'll be alive next week?
'Think not knowing is good for the stock price?
'Think he's on his best game right now?
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - MacMagus - 10-18-2008
> Besides having to agree that the loss of firewire on the
> macbook is the end of the world, one would have to agree with
> your premise that anyone besides Jobs has any right to Jobs'
> medical information to participate here.
Patently false and unreasoned. You're better than that. Have your morning coffee and come back to it.
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - Black Landlord - 10-18-2008
MacMagus wrote:
> Besides having to agree that the loss of firewire on the
> macbook is the end of the world, one would have to agree with
> your premise that anyone besides Jobs has any right to Jobs'
> medical information to participate here.
Patently false and unreasoned. You're better than that. Have your morning coffee and come back to it.
:-)
The right to Jobs' medical info thing is an old and stale debate without a resolution. My opinion is as valid as yours.
Besides all that, what about the previous keynote where Jobs appeared to be pushing his underlings into the spotlight? Is it not inconceivable that Jobs is already orchestrating his departure?
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - MacMagus - 10-18-2008
> one would have to agree with
> your premise that anyone besides Jobs has any right to Jobs'
> medical information to participate here.
I wrote that it was "patently false" because it's self-contradicting. you're both disagreeing and participating.
Unreasoned for the aforementioned reason.
Your responses are usually better thought out than that.
...
> Is it not inconceivable that Jobs is already orchestrating his departure?
It is possible that Jobs is getting ready to leave. I submit that his (and the board's) failing to name a successor and provide a timeline is highly irresponsible and more evidence tht he should step down.
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - Black Landlord - 10-18-2008
MacMagus wrote:
> one would have to agree with
> your premise that anyone besides Jobs has any right to Jobs'
> medical information to participate here.
I wrote that it was "patently false" because it's self-contradicting. you're both disagreeing and participating.
Unreasoned for the aforementioned reason.
Your responses are usually better thought out than that.
...
Er, OK, sorry- here's what I meant:
> one would have to agree with your premise that anyone besides Jobs has any right to Jobs' medical information to participate in a discussion of whether he has some sort of moral/ethical/legal obligation to step down.
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - MacMagus - 10-18-2008
Black Landlord wrote:
Er, OK, sorry- here's what I meant:
> one would have to agree with your premise that anyone besides Jobs has any right to Jobs' medical information to participate in a discussion of whether he has some sort of moral/ethical/legal obligation to step down.
I disagree. We have plenty to discuss. And not just about Steve's health, but also about his judgment and the direction that the company is taking overall.
But for now, let's stick with his health...
Every time that he makes a public appearance, the news and blogshpere blaze with rumors about Steve's ill-health and a possible recurrence of his cancer. These are facts that I think you will agree with.
Such reporting impacts Steve's credibility and makes shareholders jittery. That's bad for Apple. In this market, that's especially bad for Apple.
I'm arguing that -- while we may have no right to access his health records -- he has an obligation to the company to produce those records anyway. Settling the rumors settles the stock-owners and eliminates the potential lawsuits from keeping it a secret (which materially affects the stock price and promotes insider trading).
If he's healthy, why doesn't he come out and say so? If he's ill, why hasn't he appeased the shareholders and quieted the rumor sites by coming clean, appointing a successor and setting a date to step down?
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - samintx - 10-18-2008
Had a second operation a few months ago? How is that possilbe when he had a virus?
ahem.....that was what we were told. Anyone in his apparent physical condition could not have the mental quickness of a fully healthy S. Jobs.
NeXt....he lost other peoples money in that cause didn't he? He had T. Boone or a line of wellknown people footing the bill with investment capital. I remember $12,000,000.00 by one contributor.
I think the non Firewire is a wakeup call. I'm not the mac guru you guys are but as a consumer, I would not buy a new mac without a firewire. I'm still smarting at only ONE USB port.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/07/23/steve_jobs_in_good_health_following_second_surgery_report.html
this is article on second operation
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - DharmaDog - 10-18-2008
Blasphemous!
Re: Time for Steve Jobs to Retire? - bik - 10-18-2008
So, to sum it up –
You want Firewire and you want to make a lot of money on Apple stock in a generally crummy economy, so screw Steve Jobs and his right to privacy. Is that about right?
So Steve should give up the company he built (twice), to please you?