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Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - Mac1337 - 12-20-2008
Gutenberg wrote:
If you want to talk about stolen elections, talk about Florida in 2000. Don't stop at 1960, which has since been proven to be a valid election.
Every major newspaper sent a delegation to Florida to do their own recount after the election. At no time did Gore come on top. And who "proved" that the 1960 election was valid? You are misrepresenting an election that took place only 8 years ago and then expect us to believe your account of an election that took place 50 years ago?
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - Gutenberg - 12-20-2008
Recounts or investigations were undertaken in 11 states, including Texas and Illinois. The net result was -3 electoral votes for Nixon, when it was discovered that Hawaii, which was awarded to Kennedy, then Nixon when irregularities were shown, was awarded back to Kennedy after the recount.
The Illinois State election board, which consisted of four Republicans and one Democrat, certified the election for Kennedy.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, the outgoing President and a Republican, originally endorsed the Republican National Committee's challenge of the election results, but after looking further into the conduct of the election, withdrew his endorsement of the challenge.
There is a pretty good summary here: http://www.slate.com/id/91350/
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - NeverMind - 12-20-2008
freeradical wrote:
No, Bush won that election fair and square. It was Al Gore who was tried to steal that election with his attempts to cherry pick which ballots were going to count.
I am sure Jeb Bush says the same thing.
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - swampy - 12-20-2008
FreeRadical has it exactly right. Al Gore and his hordes of lawyers descending on the state and, as FR says, wanting to cherry pick the counties that would be recounted, convinced me to drop out of the Democratic party. (Yes, I used to be a Dem).
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - Black Landlord - 12-20-2008
swampy wrote:
FreeRadical has it exactly right. Al Gore and his hordes of lawyers descending on the state and, as FR says, wanting to cherry pick the counties that would be recounted, convinced me to drop out of the Democratic party. (Yes, I used to be a Dem).
LOL! Do you mean "you" as in the flesh-and-blood person typing and hitting "post", or as in the "swampy" persona?
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - Gutenberg - 12-20-2008
Oh please. That is the biggest steaming stinking pile of BS I have heard from you yet, Swamp Thing.
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - Mac1337 - 12-20-2008
Gutenberg wrote:
Recounts or investigations were undertaken in 11 states, including Texas and Illinois. The net result was -3 electoral votes for Nixon, when it was discovered that Hawaii, which was awarded to Kennedy, then Nixon when irregularities were shown, was awarded back to Kennedy after the recount.
The Illinois State election board, which consisted of four Republicans and one Democrat, certified the election for Kennedy.
Dwight D. Eisenhower, the outgoing President and a Republican, originally endorsed the Republican National Committee's challenge of the election results, but after looking further into the conduct of the election, withdrew his endorsement of the challenge.
There is a pretty good summary here: http://www.slate.com/id/91350/
Thanks. Never knew there was so much activity around that election. Perhaps because Republicans can let go of their defeats and move on.
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - $tevie - 12-20-2008
Lester Maddox and George Wallace were Democrats. Sh!t happens.
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - Ted King - 12-20-2008
While I don't care for the personal remark part of what BL and Gutenberg said, I have to admit that Swampy's comment about switching parties because of some alleged extra-nefariousness on Gore people's part is hard to take credibly. To think that anything Gore's people did was particularly offensive would require a great deal of selective attention to what all the main actors were doing for months before and after the voting. Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, Bush's people, Gore's people, the State Supreme Court and the US Supreme Court all acted at a minimum in a highly partisan manner - doing all they could to tilt the table in "their guy's" favor. The ripple stopped at the highest point - the US Supreme Court, that happened to have a majority of Republicans so they did their partisan bit just like everyone else - except since they were the end of the line, the Republicans had the last say. To pick out actions by Gore's team as being somehow out of line from the rest of what was going on is either naive at best or just plain silly; or, if one were to look at it ungenerously, at least potentially not entirely truthful.
Re: Franken pulls ahead in recount - Black Landlord - 12-20-2008
Ted King wrote:
While I don't care for the personal remark part of what BL and Gutenberg said, I have to admit that Swampy's comment about switching parties because of some alleged extra-nefariousness on Gore people's part is hard to take credibly.
No need to start calling people liars, Ted.