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Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - guitarist - 03-12-2009
Racer X wrote:
I routinely have to attempt to salvage damaged Wii and PS disks for friends kids. It happens more often than you may think.
True, but don't kids also make crayon marks on expensive books, and flush pets down the toilet, and break dishes sometimes? It's normal. What's unusual is, we have a legal loophole that allows us to claim a certain reproduction privilege over digital content stored on disc media, that we don't have with other household items we buy for the home that our destructive kids have access to. I'd like to make a similar claim about my favorite drinking glasses, coffee cups, eyeglasses, bicycles, and cars, that my kids have access to, and do damaging things to. Wouldn't that be great?
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - dk62 - 03-12-2009
I love the new digital copy scheme where you get it with purchase of a Blu-Ray disc and I hope it gets more prevalent. This eliminates all my needs for breaking copy protections, as it affords me the means to watch the movie I own on another device. Otherwise, I would use Handbrake to watch TV shows/comedy movies on iPod on long trips. This also helps increase the acceptance of Blu-Ray discs, as I have in several cases bought a DVD instead of Blu-Ray because I knew I would want it on the iPod (this applies only for movies where cinematography is not of importance or to TV shows).
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - AAA - 03-12-2009
If they would have just come out like they originally stated, with Blu-Ray being in a jacket/sleeve/case, that had a shutter that the player could read, but would snap back closed like minifloppies, it would save discs from being destroyed. I am all for not exposing the surface to kids, and other accidents. But, no, they deliberately want you to harm your disks, it appears. Having the case/protector be permanently attached to the media makes the most sense, to me.
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - guitarist - 03-12-2009
AAA wrote:
Having the case/protector be permanently attached to the media makes the most sense, to me.
It would serve to punish the overwhelming majority of responsible consumers in order to benefit the tiny minority of unfortunate adults who aren't able to control the irresponsible behavior of their own kids.
A "nanny-protector" case permanently attached to Blu-ray media? Or permanently attached to any other kind of entertainment media stored on discs? It would be met with gleeful mockery and a resounding rejection from the rest of the disc-buying public.
I have a solution! Maybe a permanently attached protection device should be applied to the reckless kids, not to the media. That way, the protection scheme is applied directly to the problem, at the source!
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - deckeda - 03-12-2009
Racer X wrote:
I routinely have to attempt to salvage damaged Wii and PS disks for friends kids. It happens more often than you may think.
Wait --- how do you do that? Last time I asked about Wii disks it involved jumping through a lot of hoops and hacking the Wii hardware etc. My Macs won't even READ a Wii disk, let alone copy it with DVD rippers.
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - Racer X - 03-12-2009
No, repair the surface, not make back-ups. I WISH I could back-up those disks. I would make a copy, and hide the original.
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - AAA - 03-12-2009
I don't see it that way at all. It's merely a protector. Like the original CD caddies that Macs had. The floppies/minifloppies, and MiniDiscs have.
Protecting the media just makes sense to me. And I'm not in any way addressing your accusations and disdain for the other part of the conversation you seem hell bent on forwarding.
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - rankandfile - 03-12-2009
On more than one occasion, my son or one of his friends has dropped the consoles and ruined the games.
The other problem we had was our house was so popular that games began to "walk" away. We solved that problem, but not before losing a couple of games.
I back up everything, and I don't apologize for doing it.
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - Racer X - 03-12-2009
early type 1 DVD-RAM disks as well came in the caddy.
Re: Does Mac the Ripper and Drive-In do the same thing? - guitarist - 03-12-2009
AAA wrote:
I don't see it that way at all. It's merely a protector. Like the original CD caddies that Macs had. The floppies/minifloppies, and MiniDiscs have.
Protecting the media just makes sense to me. And I'm not in any way addressing your accusations and disdain for the other part of the conversation you seem hell bent on forwarding.
Hey! I may be bent, but I'm not hell bent. I am questioning the wisdom of manufacturing discs with a special protective caddy, it's a fair question.
Example: "Someone should make a permanent protective attachment on these record albums to protect them" would have sounded peculiar to album collectors a decade or two ago. Vinyl albums are even more vulnerable to damage than modern CDs are. But they were an entertainment medium, not a vital storage medium. No accusations, or agendas to forward, I'm just pointing out some of the reasons the "permanent protection" attachment idea is unlikely to catch on.
When CDs had special caddies, they were "computer discs", for storing important computer data. No music discs had them. Computer CDs weren't primarily an entertainment medium. As a storage medium, they were new, and held what was considered at that time to be a large amount of data. And computer compact disc storage was comparatively expensive. It was very temporary. It's worth noting, the scheme was quickly discarded. The costs went down and CDs became ubiquitous and disposable, not a precious computer-based medium that needed special protection. Consumers likely found caddies to be unnecessary and inconvenient.
Now even DVDs are becoming cheap and disposable, compared to what they were like when first introduced. Blu-ray discs (if the medium ever gains acceptance in the first place) will also become cheap and eventually disposable, as even larger-storage discs emerge. Overall, consumers (with the possible exception of a fraction of concerned parents with rowdy kids) don't want the inconvenience of protective caddies on their movie discs, and understandably, manufacturers and movie studios don't want to make them. Even if the idea did have popular currency, the medium is too temporary and uncertain to even bother.
Adding a special cartridge to Hi Def movie discs, to satisfy a small niche of consumers, would work, however, if there's a manufacturer willing to address that small niche. Kids movies, or video games, for example. As we see with console discs. As long as it doesn't punish the rest of us, who prefer our discs naked, and are willing to take responsibility for protecting them in their jewelbox cases.
From Wikipedia:
Some early CD-ROM drives used a mechanism where CDs had to be inserted into special cartridges or caddies, somewhat similar in appearance to a jewel case. Although the idea behind this—a tougher plastic shell to protect the disc from damage—was sound, it did not gain wide acceptance among disc manufacturers. Drives that used the caddy format required "bare" discs to be placed into a caddy before use, making them less convenient to use. Drives that worked this way were referred to as caddy drives or caddy load(ing), but from about 1994 most computer manufacturers moved to tray-loading[1], or slot-loading drives.The same system is still available for more recent formats such as DVD-RAMs[citation needed] but is not common. The PlayStation Portable, UMD disk is a similar concept, using a small proprietary DVD-type disk, in a fixed unopenable caddie as both a copy protection and damage prevention measure.