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Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - freeradical - 10-25-2009
kanesa wrote:
The only problem I have with people who do not want to get the vaccination is if you do get H1N1, you are endangering other people and their families. You could be infected and standing in line at the grocery store, you sneeze and expose the pregnant checkout woman. Or you expose a co-worker who also babysits his grandchildren after work.
Exactly. This is why we have mandatory vaccination programs for children entering school. If everyone were to get this vaccine, there would be 308 people with reactions if the one out of a million rate is accurate. But if everyone were vaccinated, we could save as many as 30-35,000 lives as year. This is a PUBLIC health issue.
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - samintx - 10-25-2009
I think there has been too much information on both sides (as there is in this modern age) and people just say "no". If there had not been so my hype I bet there would have been no problem.
Now I think people are thinking twice because of the rush to get more vaccine made.
OR: alternative...more people now days are allergic to eggs.:confused:
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - Numo - 10-25-2009
freeradical wrote:
[quote=kanesa]
The only problem I have with people who do not want to get the vaccination is if you do get H1N1, you are endangering other people and their families. You could be infected and standing in line at the grocery store, you sneeze and expose the pregnant checkout woman. Or you expose a co-worker who also babysits his grandchildren after work.
Exactly. This is why we have mandatory vaccination programs for children entering school. If everyone were to get this vaccine, there would be 308 people with reactions if the one out of a million rate is accurate. But if everyone were vaccinated, we could save as many as 30-35,000 lives as year. This is a PUBLIC health issue.
I believe this is called herd immunity. As more people get vaccinated, fewer people will die of the illness.
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - Doc - 10-25-2009
Ammo wrote:
[quote=freeradical]
[quote=kanesa]
The only problem I have with people who do not want to get the vaccination is if you do get H1N1, you are endangering other people and their families. You could be infected and standing in line at the grocery store, you sneeze and expose the pregnant checkout woman. Or you expose a co-worker who also babysits his grandchildren after work.
Exactly. This is why we have mandatory vaccination programs for children entering school. If everyone were to get this vaccine, there would be 308 people with reactions if the one out of a million rate is accurate. But if everyone were vaccinated, we could save as many as 30-35,000 lives as year. This is a PUBLIC health issue.
I believe this is called herd immunity. As more people get vaccinated, fewer people will die of the illness.
You want to vaccinate everybody against every illness?
What would you do about the roughly 20% of the population who experience side-effects from vaccines and the 5% or so who end up hospitalized or dying from vaccine-reactions?
Or, to put it another way:
Would you vaccinate your infant daughter against HPV knowing that the vaccine only protects against 4 kinds of HPV, that there are over 40 common HPVs that would still be able -- and fairly likely -- to infect her, that the immunity is not likely to last beyond 5 years and that the vaccine has a 6% chance of presenting a life-threatening adverse reaction?
You really want to roll those dice?
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - mattkime - 10-25-2009
>>If everyone were to get this vaccine, there would be 308 people with reactions if the one out of a million rate is accurate.
and thats an awfully BIG if. The fact is that doctors have no idea why she came down with her disease.
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - Mike Johnson - 10-25-2009
When somebody feels a little crappy after getting a flu vaccine, that's called a side effect, and it scares people.
What are we at now, 100 American kids dead of the Swine Flu?
Imagine a monkey flu. It doesn't kill anybody, doesn't send anybody to the hospital. At worst, they feel punky for a day or two. Meanwhile, the vaccine kills hundreds of people. Would anybody seriously choose the vaccine?
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - mattkime - 10-25-2009
>>Imagine a monkey flu. It doesn't kill anybody...Meanwhile, the vaccine kills hundreds of people. Would anybody seriously choose the vaccine?
Thats exactly the jump being made that we have NO LOGICAL reason to believe is true.
But damn, it makes good info-tainment!
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - The UnDoug - 10-25-2009
Here's what I think is a link to a Wired article on this subject (parents who choose not to vaccinate their kids):
http://www.wired.com/magazine/2009/10/ff_waronscience/all/1
I say I *think* it's a link to that because I'm on a very slow old Mac, and when I try to load the page, it just spins the beachball and I have to force quit. If it's not on that page, I'm almost sure there'll be a link to the story there. :-)
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - Doc - 10-25-2009
> What are we at now, 100 American kids dead of the Swine Flu?
100 kids, 1,000 fatalities total... give or take.
This strain hits kids hard.
In general, kids should be vaccinated. With the nasal spray if at all possible and not the multi-dose shot as the latter contains mercury and we don't know what that could do to a developing nervous system.
Re: Have we become a nation of conspiracy theorists? - Bernie - 10-25-2009
One in a Million Shot.
I will elect the running nose
Thank you