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Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - olnacl - 03-04-2010
Anyone remember the Chevrolet recall in 1965 (and earlier) for sudden acceleration? The left motor mount would break and when the driver accelerated (fairly rapidly) the engine would lift off the (broken) mount and jam the (mechanical) throttle to the firewall. Only when the car got up to speed would the engine drop back down on the mount and allow the car to return to idle.
They "fixed" it (the rubber separated from the metal brackets attaching it to the engine and frame) by adding a short tether cable between the engine block and the frame. Later mounts incorporated a piece of metal that spanned the rubber preventing the engine from lifting even if the rubber separated.
One irony of the recall is that on over 95% of the vehicles recalled, GM did not replace the defective mounts themselves, but rather installed a bracket and cable to restrict engine movement if a mount broke. By avoiding replacement of engine mounts on all 6.68 million cars, GM managed to cut its recall costs considerably; the cable and bracket assembly cost about $1 per car, far less than the $50 cost of new motor mounts. wrote:
Those were the days! That was an easy one to figure out - open the hood and watch the engine twist when the throttle was goosed. More of an issue with auto trans than with stick.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - TheCaber - 03-04-2010
"My Toyota restored my virginity!"
Well, no, not really; I just wanted to be able to say that.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - decocritter - 03-04-2010
My friend took her 2009 Prius in for regular maintenance. They looked up her VIN number and said there were no issues for recall. They ran a few tests, that were fine. Her mats are original hooked in mats. No issues.
They told her the most problems were from certain vin numbers and indicated there were more problems with cars that were made in USA plants.
I wonder if that is true.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - N-OS X-tasy! - 03-04-2010
decocritter wrote:
and indicated there were more problems with cars that were made in USA plants.
I wonder if that is true.
I've read as much in various articles about the subject.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - olnacl - 03-04-2010
decocritter wrote:
My friend took her 2009 Prius in for regular maintenance. They looked up her VIN number and said there were no issues for recall. They ran a few tests, that were fine. Her mats are original hooked in mats. No issues.
They told her the most problems were from certain vin numbers and indicated there were more problems with cars that were made in USA plants.
I wonder if that is true.
Maybe right hand drive vehicles use different or from a different manufacturer, gas pedals? Dunno about the brake issues though.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - Doc - 03-04-2010
decocritter wrote:
They told her the most problems were from certain vin numbers and indicated there were more problems with cars that were made in USA plants.
I wonder if that is true.
I saw a segment on a news show where they indicated that the accelerator pedal issue that can be fixed with the addition of a little plate was due to a design used by one of two U.S. suppliers.
If the problem is with computer code, I don't think they can easily blame it on U.S. facilities.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - Racer X - 03-04-2010
ztirffritz wrote:
The maelstrom around Toyota is affecting the statistical results though. People are imagining problems with Toyota cars more frequently than with Fords simply because the media has set them up on a pedestal at eye level. I'm not saying that there isn't a problem. There may very well be a problem, but the numbers are skewed simply because of media attention.
NHTSI started receiving these reports back in 2000.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - Markintosh - 03-04-2010
In other news, 3,000,000,000 people drove their Toyotas safely without incident last year.....
Seriously, even NPR is sensationalizing this story. Panic and fear. Fear and panic.
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - RAMd®d - 03-04-2010
People are imagining problems...
And you know this how?
Re: Is Toyota's "Fix" a "Dud" ...? - OWC Jamie - 03-04-2010
They have multiple problems with pedal /acceleration.
One solution doesn't fix all the problems.