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Re: Keeping media focus on Trump is a deliberate Clinton strategy - hal - 08-12-2016
$tevie wrote:
I can readily understand how Clinton could be found to be an uninspiring speaker, however too often the criticisms of her speaking include terms like shouting or shrill or loud which really are part of the same list that include bitch and pushy.
It's entirely possible to find her shouting to be shrill while not finding her to be bitchy or pushy - that's me.
We all have prejudice - admitting it and working on it is healthy.
I'm ready for a female prez, but some of those old prejudices need to be worked out. After another 20 years of hearing female candidates shouting, we'll all be used to it.
Worse (for me) was a recent hockey podcast I was listening to... the featured guest was a writer that I'm fond of, but she sounded like a 14yo L.A. girl (she's actually a late 20s Anaheim girl). Part of me was trying to dismiss her before she completed a sentence, but she is really sharp and after a few of those sentences, she had my attention.
Hey... I'm trying...
Re: Keeping media focus on Trump is a deliberate Clinton strategy - AllGold - 08-12-2016
I'm with Steve. While I think Clinton sounds perfectly fine using a normal speaking voice, I find the sound of her shouting pretty annoying.
I don't think sexism has anything to do with it. It's just a physical attribute. Some people are born with better voices than others (think Diane Sawyer vs Fran Drescher or Kelsey Grammer vs Harvey Fierstein).
Again, I think her normal speaking voice is just fine. But shouting is not something most of us do a lot of, so it can be a different animal. Maybe her team could find a voice coach and coach her up a little on her shouting voice. Then again, she's probably spent a lifetime not shouting except when on the podium so it could be pretty tough. There's also a chance that she just doesn't have the pipes to be a good shouter.
Re: Keeping media focus on Trump is a deliberate Clinton strategy - pdq - 08-12-2016
It's kind of ironic, in that my Republican friends used to be fond of saying "Obama can give a good speech..." as a backhanded complement, and one often not so subtly related to the color of his skin. (I honestly didn't initially find him to be a particularly gifted speaker, but his low-key, no-drama style of communication has grown on me).
Clinton's not a great speaker. That doesn't mean she won't be a good president. Our current governor can hardly put a sentence together, but I find him a breath of fresh air after 8 years of Tim Pawlenty's obstruction, neglect, and political posturing.
Re: Keeping media focus on Trump is a deliberate Clinton strategy - Dennis S - 08-12-2016
Hillary's voice doesn't bother me nearly as much as Trump's repeating everything and his flapping uvula.
Re: Keeping media focus on Trump is a deliberate Clinton strategy - SteveG - 08-12-2016
I have worked for and witnessed many women candidates who have made solid rousing speeches. Hillary is not one of them.
Shirley Chisholm and Bella Abzug for example.
Barbara Jordan was pretty good, too.
Re: Keeping media focus on Trump is a deliberate Clinton strategy - vision63 - 08-12-2016
RgrF wrote:
SuperDelegates, as the Dems arranged them, were a lousy system and need to be abolished. God forbid that anyone but the anointed elite should have a voice in the nominating process.
That would be a direct attack on minority (black/Latino) power. Unlike Sanders and his supporters, Black people are the most loyal and dependable Democrats of them all and super delegates are partly responsible for influence gains. It's never going away.
Sanders collides with black lawmakers
The Congressional Black Caucus 'vehemently' opposes Sanders' call to abolish superdelegates.
By Daniel Strauss
Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/06/bernie-sanders-black-caucus-superdelegates-224502#ixzz4H9pe6TdD
Re: Keeping media focus on Trump is a deliberate Clinton strategy - vision63 - 08-12-2016
Steve G. wrote:
I have worked for and witnessed many women candidates who have made solid rousing speeches. Hillary is not one of them.
Shirley Chisholm and Bella Abzug for example.
Barbara Jordan was pretty good, too.
You sure you're not the one with the occasional tin ear? She's given some inspiring speeches.