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Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - Sarcany - 07-11-2020
mrlynn wrote: Death rates from COVID19 are tiny for people under 45 years old. The biggest threat is to elderly teachers (and parents?) with serious health problems ('co-morbitities'):..
Don't want to get into a debate that pushes this to the other side...
It's simply too soon to tell what's going on in kids.
They're finding some really weird brain damage in kids and teens and other oddities that may point to problems that may manifest months or years from now, even with the mildest of symptoms.
So, we don't have a great idea of what "the biggest threat" is when kids go back to school.
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I wonder whether it's too late to push for a hybrid approach.
Some schools in my area are going to a four-day school week with half of the school present on day one, the other half on day two, etc.
Keeps classroom sizes down.
When not in school, they will have online/video sessions.
Friday is for teachers to work on curriculum and pre-record some of their videos.
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - N-OS X-tasy! - 07-11-2020
mrlynn wrote:
[quote=N-OS X-tasy!]
The REAL problem is that we are forced to choose between bringing kids back into the schools or continuing on with at-home “learning” that has been shown to be anything but. Think COVID infection rates are climbing now? Wait until kids are back in school — infection rates will SKYROCKET far beyond anything we’ve seen so far. Death rates will closely follow.
I doubt it. Death rates from COVID19 are tiny for people under 45 years old. The biggest threat is to elderly teachers (and parents?) with serious health problems ('co-morbitities'):
https://www.acsh.org/news/2020/06/23/coronavirus-covid-deaths-us-age-race-14863
Some European countries are re-opening schools. Let's see how they do.
/Mr Lynn
Maybe you haven’t been keeping up with the news: average age of persons infected is declining, presumably due to massive exposures during the recent protests. More younger people than ever are dying from COVID, too — all during a time when school-aged children have been kept home as part of the effort to flatten the curve.
We’re already seeing what happens when those efforts end too soon; now throw kids going back to school into the mix. What do you think will happen then? The only thing that CAN happen: MASSIVE numbers of infected kids. It’s a mathematical certainty.
You are correct — death rates among younger people are lower that older people. But some young people DO die from this disease — increase the number of infected young people and you increase the number of young people who die from the disease. That is also a mathematical certainty.
Note that my original statement did not specifically claim an increased death rate would be due only to more young people dying. Of course that’s not true. Sick kids at home increases the risk to parents and grandparents of catching and dying from the disease.
Finally, as others have pointed out, you ABSOLUTELY can’t look at what is happening in other countries to predict what will happen in the U.S when it comes to anything COVID-related. With few exceptions, our leadership in this country, from the Oval Office down to the lowest levels of local government, has been woefully (and criminally, IMHO) negligent in its response to this pandemic. A discussion of all the different forms this failure has taken would require more time than I care to give to the topic, but suffice it to say that the way the pandemic continues to unfold in America at this point is unique to us and perhaps a few third-world countries with the merest fraction of resources that are available to the U.S.
Some recent info on the subject: https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/why-covid-death-rate-down/613945/
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - deckeda - 07-12-2020
presumably due to massive exposures during the recent protests.
My back-of-the-napkin, trick-knee understanding is that the masked protestors were less of a threat than the myriad beach-and-lake going, party- and bar-hopping, cafe and resturant-going young professionals are. In other words people convinced they’ll live forever, and have a few jingles in their pocket ready to spend, so thanks for letting me keep my YouTube Approved hair style.
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - The UnDoug - 07-12-2020
My daughter is going into her senior year of high school. Her school is *extremely* prepared for all possibilities, and I'm completely comfortable with her attending in-person. If her school were not prepared, as you say yours is not, deckeda, I would definitely not be as ready to send her.
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - C(-)ris - 07-12-2020
The UnDoug wrote:
My daughter is going into her senior year of high school. Her school is *extremely* prepared for all possibilities, and I'm completely comfortable with her attending in-person. If her school were not prepared, as you say yours is not, deckeda, I would definitely not be as ready to send her.
What does this look like? I've yet to see a single school post a well thought out extremely prepared complete plan.
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - N-OS X-tasy! - 07-12-2020
deckeda wrote:
presumably due to massive exposures during the recent protests.
My back-of-the-napkin, trick-knee understanding is that the masked protestors were less of a threat than the myriad beach-and-lake going, party- and bar-hopping, cafe and resturant-going young professionals are. In other words people convinced they’ll live forever, and have a few jingles in their pocket ready to spend, so thanks for letting me keep my YouTube Approved hair style.
Yes, that is a huge factor too.
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - bazookaman - 07-12-2020
I posted this on the other side and on a friends FB post. I can't see this whole school reopening being anything other than a massive shitshow.
There is no option for virtual learning. Really. Its something that schools have made up in the last month or two. Hardly a good structure to base an education on. There are some online resources in place sure. But they're JUST resources. Like the LMS. Plus everyone uses different ones or none at all. And different teachers use it differently. Which means different usefulness to students.
There's no money for virtual learning. Again. I've said this before. We are the exception. Not the rule. At least in my 13 yr old's school. She has access to a phone. A tablet. A laptop. High-speed internet. She is an only child. So no sharing. My wife works at home. We literally have the perfect storm for her to flourish with online schooling (minus the whole social thing). But that's not the case with many of her close friends and certainly not for the rest of her schoolmates.
Which leads me to money. We have "stuff". Most families don't. Daughter's school in 6th grade, everyone had laptops they could take home. 7th grade (last year) some dipshit forgot to fill out the grant paperwork, so they had to make do with the leftovers from the prior year. But like I said, my daughter had a laptop already so we were not impacted. It has been and still is a sad state of affairs when teachers have to pay for their charges supplies. My GOD this infuriates me to no end. They make next to no money and then have to use that supply their students?!?!? What in the actual fuck is that??? Requiring cleaning and sanitation supplies but not supplying them? That just seems like a bridge too far.
And literally NONE of this has even addressed the virus. Do any of these fucksticks get the irony of them having a zoom meeting to discuss how we need to send our children back to school in person? This virus has been around for what? half a year? I'm no scientist but how in the hell are supposed to have data on what will or won't happen over time? We're just guessing here. But we're guessing with our kid's lives. I asked my girl how she would feel if she went back to school and one of her teachers caught it and died. Or one of her friends. Is one ok? Two? How many can we sacrifice so that we can move on with pretending like this virus doesn't exist?
S H I T S H O W.
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - mrlynn - 07-12-2020
JoeH wrote:
I would take any conclusions posted by ACSH with a very large grain of salt.
Here's the data from the CDC:
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
/Mr Lynn
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - JoeH - 07-12-2020
mrlynn wrote:
[quote=JoeH]
I would take any conclusions posted by ACSH with a very large grain of salt.
Here's the data from the CDC:
https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku
/Mr Lynn
Not questioning the data, just any conclusions ACSH makes from it. They have their agenda, it is not very science based.
Re: What is happening with in-class vs online learning for K-12 ?? - macphanatic - 07-12-2020
I completely understand the position of if you don't attend classes in school, you can't play sports or participate in other in person school activities. These after school activities would create as much or more risk than attending classes alone. Think about it. Your daughter would be exposed to the players on her team, the teams that they compete against. IMO, the risk is probably the same and maybe higher for sports programs, especially indoor ones where players are in close proximity, touching the same ball, and breathing hard.