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Re: Nice cover... - DeusxMac - 05-23-2022
PeterB wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
Like as one of the YouTube commenters says, "To those critics of this cover please post links to your band or singing ability."
Specious analogy. If it were valid, no one could have ANY opinion about ANY art form or performance they couldn’t match themselves. Which, of course, contradicts your initial statement of “I'm no musician, but I know what I like…”
Specious analogy. To like something doesn't necessarily require any musical ability. To criticize something implies that you know (or can perform) better.
By definition, if you “like” a work of art, there must be works you don’t “like”, or like less.
A judgement has been made; X is better than Y.
You need NOT be capable of surpassing Y yourself to judge it inferior to X.
Re: Nice cover... - PeterB - 05-23-2022
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
Like as one of the YouTube commenters says, "To those critics of this cover please post links to your band or singing ability."
Specious analogy. If it were valid, no one could have ANY opinion about ANY art form or performance they couldn’t match themselves. Which, of course, contradicts your initial statement of “I'm no musician, but I know what I like…”
Specious analogy. To like something doesn't necessarily require any musical ability. To criticize something implies that you know (or can perform) better.
By definition, if you “like” a work of art, there must be works you don’t “like”, or like less.
A judgement has been made; X is better than Y.
You need NOT be capable of surpassing Y yourself to judge it inferior to X.
Specious analogy. I like Jif better than Skippy. That doesn't mean I have to be able to make peanut butter to make a judgment. But art or music are not peanut butter... they're works of performance, and therefore the "I know what I like" doesn't require expertise, but if I criticize, then I think the "show me you can do better" does apply.
Re: Nice cover... - DeusxMac - 05-23-2022
PeterB wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
Like as one of the YouTube commenters says, "To those critics of this cover please post links to your band or singing ability."
Specious analogy. If it were valid, no one could have ANY opinion about ANY art form or performance they couldn’t match themselves. Which, of course, contradicts your initial statement of “I'm no musician, but I know what I like…”
Specious analogy. To like something doesn't necessarily require any musical ability. To criticize something implies that you know (or can perform) better.
By definition, if you “like” a work of art, there must be works you don’t “like”, or like less.
A judgement has been made; X is better than Y.
You need NOT be capable of surpassing Y yourself to judge it inferior to X.
Specious analogy. I like Jif better than Skippy. That doesn't mean I have to be able to make peanut butter to make a judgment. But art or music are not peanut butter... they're works of performance, and therefore the "I know what I like" doesn't require expertise, but if I criticize, then I think the "show me you can do better" does apply.
OK, if asked to explain your reasons for “liking” performance X and not “liking” Y, what would you offer?
For extra credit, please explain why a non-vocalist may not “criticize” this:
https://youtu.be/Hcs9yJjVecs
Re: Nice cover... - PeterB - 05-24-2022
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
Like as one of the YouTube commenters says, "To those critics of this cover please post links to your band or singing ability."
Specious analogy. If it were valid, no one could have ANY opinion about ANY art form or performance they couldn’t match themselves. Which, of course, contradicts your initial statement of “I'm no musician, but I know what I like…”
Specious analogy. To like something doesn't necessarily require any musical ability. To criticize something implies that you know (or can perform) better.
By definition, if you “like” a work of art, there must be works you don’t “like”, or like less.
A judgement has been made; X is better than Y.
You need NOT be capable of surpassing Y yourself to judge it inferior to X.
Specious analogy. I like Jif better than Skippy. That doesn't mean I have to be able to make peanut butter to make a judgment. But art or music are not peanut butter... they're works of performance, and therefore the "I know what I like" doesn't require expertise, but if I criticize, then I think the "show me you can do better" does apply.
OK, if asked to explain your reasons for “liking” performance X and not “liking” Y, what would you offer?
For extra credit, please explain why a non-vocalist may not “criticize” this:
https://youtu.be/Hcs9yJjVecs
1) Liking versus not liking is not the same as being critical or criticizing, particularly when the criticism is mean-spirited and destructive rather than constructive.
2) ??? ... not sure what that YouTube has to do with anything. That is art, whether you like it or not is simply a judgment. I would maintain that to criticize, you have to be able to do better... you might say "oh, but anyone could do better" ... I actually doubt that. If a trained opera singer with valid credentials were to criticize, that'd be one thing ... but you or I? No way.
Jeezo. Give it a rest, dude.
Re: Nice cover... - DeusxMac - 05-24-2022
PeterB wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=PeterB]
Like as one of the YouTube commenters says, "To those critics of this cover please post links to your band or singing ability."
Specious analogy. If it were valid, no one could have ANY opinion about ANY art form or performance they couldn’t match themselves. Which, of course, contradicts your initial statement of “I'm no musician, but I know what I like…”
Specious analogy. To like something doesn't necessarily require any musical ability. To criticize something implies that you know (or can perform) better.
By definition, if you “like” a work of art, there must be works you don’t “like”, or like less.
A judgement has been made; X is better than Y.
You need NOT be capable of surpassing Y yourself to judge it inferior to X.
Specious analogy. I like Jif better than Skippy. That doesn't mean I have to be able to make peanut butter to make a judgment. But art or music are not peanut butter... they're works of performance, and therefore the "I know what I like" doesn't require expertise, but if I criticize, then I think the "show me you can do better" does apply.
OK, if asked to explain your reasons for “liking” performance X and not “liking” Y, what would you offer?
For extra credit, please explain why a non-vocalist may not “criticize” this:
https://youtu.be/Hcs9yJjVecs
1) Liking versus not liking is not the same as being critical or criticizing, particularly when the criticism is mean-spirited and destructive rather than constructive.
2) ??? ... not sure what that YouTube has to do with anything. That is art, whether you like it or not is simply a judgment. I would maintain that to criticize, you have to be able to do better... you might say "oh, but anyone could do better" ... I actually doubt that. If a trained opera singer with valid credentials were to criticize, that'd be one thing ... but you or I? No way.
Jeezo. Give it a rest, dude.
We clearly, completely disagree on this, so no point in continuing.
Re: Nice cover... - RgrF - 05-24-2022
Not sure who I dislike more; literary critics, music critics, movie critics, theatrical critics or social critics - maybe all of them equally.
Re: Nice cover... - pinkoos - 05-30-2022
Here's a great cover of Matthew Sweet's 'Girlfriend' - the lead guitarists do some great solos
https://youtu.be/uzTb6Y6jL1s