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Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - Tiangou - 02-27-2023
pRICE cUBE wrote:
Purely on the car side. Aren't all the Teslas models overdue for a redesign? Someone I was talking to the other day said the Model S, "Looks like a Buick." The commenter reiterated that it wasn't a compliment. This person is in the market for an EV and she started looking at Audi E-tron vehicles because he awareness of Musk's behavior. She said Musk was not the main factor but the Teslas styling wasn't her cup of tea.
Yeah.
I saw a Tesla X parked next to a Rivian. The Rivian looked amazing, and from what I could see of the inside, it looked like a very comfortable ride.
The Tesla looked like a poorly sculpted pile of poop in comparison.
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - pRICE cUBE - 02-27-2023
BTW, no offense to Buicks. I think some of the latest Buick designs look sharp. The person I was talking to still thinks of Buicks of the past.
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - C(-)ris - 02-27-2023
Carnos Jax wrote:
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The average person won't accept crappy build quality that some Tesla models get delivered with. They get savaged on JD Power surveys.
This is not true any longer. It's a misconception stemming from early production runs of a new model, or going further back, Tesla's early days when it was still learning how to mass manufacture cars. Even then, this quality issues were related to superficial items, not the core hardware or systems. That JD Power survey was not what you think it was.
I guess we will agree to disagree. I saw someone pointing out external fit issues in the last two months: door gaps, loose body panels, water leaks.
C(-)ris wrote: ....quality is horrendous. Many owners say the same thing.
I understand. However if y'all can recall where it is you saw that (without having to spend time digging it up), I'd love to see it. I'm trying to be as aware as I can from an investor perspective of issues. As I understood it, this isn't a problem anymore with cars coming from the newer factories. And I thought Fremont had (or at worst is currently) addressed these issues.
I remember the tear apart videos from whoever the guy is that does them. My other primary source is facebook reels of owners or repair shops.
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - Tiangou - 02-27-2023
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-y-starts-2023-with-water-leak-in-the-trunk-as-new-chronic-defect-207661.html
When we say that Tesla's issues are so varied and frequent that it is challenging to keep up with them, the EV maker’s advocates (most of them stockholders) rush to deny the reports. Either they point fingers at companies with seemingly similar issues or just try to discredit the facts. These folks will not have an easier time in 2023: the Model Y already has a new flaw...
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - Carnos Jax - 02-27-2023
C(-)ris wrote:
I remember the tear apart videos from whoever the guy is that does them. My other primary source is facebook reels of owners or repair shops.
That's not Sandy Munro is it? If so that was a looooong time ago. Tesla has, and Munro confirms, these are no longer issues.
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - Carnos Jax - 02-27-2023
Tiangou wrote:
https://www.autoevolution.com/news/tesla-model-y-starts-2023-with-water-leak-in-the-trunk-as-new-chronic-defect-207661.html
When we say that Tesla's issues are so varied and frequent that it is challenging to keep up with them, the EV maker’s advocates (most of them stockholders) rush to deny the reports. Either they point fingers at companies with seemingly similar issues or just try to discredit the facts. These folks will not have an easier time in 2023: the Model Y already has a new flaw...
I thought this issue was old and solved some time ago? I can't find anyone else talking about this as a current problem other than Auto Evolution.
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - Carnos Jax - 02-27-2023
Tiangou wrote:
[quote=pRICE cUBE]
Purely on the car side. Aren't all the Teslas models overdue for a redesign? Someone I was talking to the other day said the Model S, "Looks like a Buick." The commenter reiterated that it wasn't a compliment. This person is in the market for an EV and she started looking at Audi E-tron vehicles because he awareness of Musk's behavior. She said Musk was not the main factor but the Teslas styling wasn't her cup of tea.
Yeah.
I saw a Tesla X parked next to a Rivian. The Rivian looked amazing, and from what I could see of the inside, it looked like a very comfortable ride.
The Tesla looked like a poorly sculpted pile of poop in comparison.
I don't find the design dated or unappealing, in fact quite the opposite. I wonder if it's because we have so few Teslas around Arkansas? Do y'all see a lot of Teslas where you're at?
FWIW, Tesla believes in continual product improvement (as in month to month) as opposed to a complete redesign every few years. I've never heard anyone say Teslas look old or dated, except occasionally here on the forum. Again I wonder if that's due to how many Teslas those people see on a daily basis?
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - Tiangou - 02-27-2023
Carnos Jax wrote:
I've never heard anyone say Teslas look old or dated, except occasionally here on the forum. Again I wonder if that's due to how many Teslas those people see on a daily basis?
Yeah, big city, lots of high income workers in the region. Electrics all over the place. Also, lots of big luxury SUVs like those dumb Mercedes hybrids that somehow only get only 14 miles to the gallon.
So many Teslas in the area, you can't spit without hitting one.
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - Carnos Jax - 02-27-2023
Tiangou wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
I've never heard anyone say Teslas look old or dated, except occasionally here on the forum. Again I wonder if that's due to how many Teslas those people see on a daily basis?
Yeah, big city, lots of high income workers in the region. Electrics all over the place. Also, lots of big trucks like those dumb Mercedes hybrids that somehow only get only 14 miles to the gallon.
So many Teslas in the area, you can't spit without hitting one.
Hmmm, I wonder then if my impression will change as they become more common place here...
Re: ‘ Tesla lost its edge — and Elon Musk has no one but himself to blame ‘ - RgrF - 02-27-2023
Tiangou wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
I've never heard anyone say Teslas look old or dated, except occasionally here on the forum. Again I wonder if that's due to how many Teslas those people see on a daily basis?
Yeah, big city, lots of high income workers in the region. Electrics all over the place. Also, lots of big luxury SUVs like those dumb Mercedes hybrids that somehow only get only 14 miles to the gallon.
So many Teslas in the area, you can't spit without hitting one.
That would also describe Tesla presence here in SoCal.