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Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - Winston - 01-31-2010
freeradical wrote:
[quote=Winston]
[quote=JEBB]
Will HTML5 mean new life for my G4 Powerbook that is brought to its knees by Flash?
JEBB -
If you haven't installed ClickToFlash, run, don't walk, here:
http://rentzsch.github.com/clicktoflash/
It blocks all Flash in Safari, but gives you the option to click on an individual Flash item and load it, or to whitelist an entire site so that it's not blocked (such as YouTube).
The best thing I discovered is that if you don't whitelist a site you can use the ClickToFlash menu (gear icon in top left of a CTF window) to get Flash video to load with QuickTime. Stuff on YouTube which basically was unwatchable on my TiBook plays perfectly in QuickTime. You do need Perian installed for QT to play Flash:
http://perian.org/
Good luck.
- Winston
That site has both a stable version and a beta version. Should most users download the stable version?
Based on my experience generally, I think that question is rhetorical. Use the stable version.
- W
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - Don C - 01-31-2010
- New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level wrote:
OK, so what does THIS mean? Do I need to hold off on getting that MBP?
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - Winston - 01-31-2010
Don C wrote:
[quote=- New Macs for 2010 are going to take Apple to the next level]
OK, so what does THIS mean? Do I need to hold off on getting that MBP?
There will always be something new coming. I think the next big leap is to the i7 Intel processor. Several PC laptop makers already have them. No surprise that Apple will too, relatively soon.
Good luck.
- Winston
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - testcase - 01-31-2010
Thanks for the tip Winston!
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - RAMd®d - 01-31-2010
This means that the iPhone, iPad and iWhatever are rendered USELESS because of Apple's refusal to implement Flash into the systems.
No offense to you, Mac-A-Matic - but that thinking is a load of crap.
Unless you're saying that none of the millions of iPhones and Touches (iWhatevers) purchased are never used to surf the Web. I say that a lot of them are, despite the fact that neither do Flash.
I rarely run across a site that has Flash content that I need. And few sites I visit use Flash.
The more devices that are in use that don't support Flash, the weaker the need for flash become. I remember when no sites used Flash. Change won't come soon. But change will never come if everyone resigns themselves to Flash.
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - N-OS X-tasy! - 01-31-2010
ztirffritz wrote:
BluRay will never take off. It is dead out of the gate because the industry has tried to abandon too many formats too quickly. The population feels betrayed and bewildered. It is kind of like when Sony introduced MiniDiscs to compete with CDs and audo cassettes at the same time that MP3s hit the market. MiniDiscs were a great solution to a problem that no longer existed. BluRay is the same thing. Why bother with buying a disc of a movie when you can stream it from Netflix, Amazon, iTunes, or YouTube for the same price and know that you're media won't become obsolete in 3 years.
Why do people insist on talking about things which they do not understand?
1) Blu-ray has already taken off, to the tune of $1.5 BILLION in sales last year, a 200% increase from the previous year. That's just for media - player sales (which also increased substantially from the previous year) are not included in that number. That's some kind of "betrayed and bewildered."
2) Sony introduced Mini-Disc in the US in 1992, YEARS before downloading music from the Internet became commonplace. Hell, in 1992 most people didn't even know what the Internet was, much less have access to it. By the time downloading music from the Internet became commonplace - in the early 2000s, when high bandwidth Internet access started to become more widely available - MD had long ago lost the battle; mp3s played no part in the failure of MD.
I honestly don't know why MDs failed to take off in the US (they were HUGE in Japan); there are a number of theories, but IMO none do a complete job of explaining why the format failed to take hold here.
3) Until the bandwidth required to download 1080p movies in real-time is available to EVERY resident of the US at an economical price, there will be a market for Blu-ray.
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - Seacrest - 01-31-2010
Only industry people (and I suspect N-O-X is in the industry) give Blu-ray more than passing interest.
The average consumer does not get that excited over it.
Heck, the only reason why most people even have a player is because they got it by default.
Many are included with PS3, mine was "free" with the purchase of my TV.
I assume THAT goes into the stats as a "sale", however.
I didn't take it out of its box for two full months, and since doing so, have only watched three BD titles on it.
Most of the titles I watch are upscaled DVD, and I don't really care, and I consider myself fairly geeky.
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - M A V I C - 01-31-2010
Article Accelerator wrote: You can expect that your clients will get a clue and be changing their minds about use of Flash for their web sites. Be prepared.
No client is going to want to switch from Flash for many uses Flash has in the near future. At least not when presented with all the facts. There are a ton of reasons to stick with Flash and reasons I will continue using Flash. If you want to have a discussion about it, I'm open to doing so.
I have more gripes with Flash than you've brought up. I've been using it since the late 90's. On my work's website we currently display a lot of content using JavaScript where most people might use Flash. So it's not like I'm some Flash zealot that uses it everywhere and doesn't know/use/understand the alternatives.
You guys are touting things like YouTube supporting HTML5. They've been doing that for all of 11 days. And that said, they've only implemented it in a way that works with Chrome & Safari by using a proprietary video format as opposed to an open video format.
HTML5 cannot even come close to replacing Flash. Jobs must be referring strictly to video.
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - Doc - 01-31-2010
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
1) Blu-ray has already taken off, to the tune of $1.5 BILLION in sales last year, a 200% increase from the previous year.
Yep. It's really taken off!
Doubled its 2008 marketshare.
That puts it at 6% of the home movie market.
At this rate, it'll be the dominant market player by 2025 for sure!!
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
mp3s played no part in the failure of MD.
Absolutely! Except where they were responsible for totally slaying Sony in the market for portable media players.
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
I honestly don't know why MDs failed to take off in the US
A series of seemingly deliberate blunders including buggy proprietary software, inadequate storage, lousy compression, difficult and expensive point of entry, difficulty for consumers to move their digital music back and forth... It was basically built to be a disaster. What's so hard to understand about that?
N-OS X-tasy! wrote:
3) Until the bandwidth required to download 1080p movies in real-time is available to EVERY resident of the US at an economical price, there will be a market for Blu-ray.
Hulu looks great on my TV at 390p and 480p.
My DVDs look spectacular upscaled on my tv and the 5.1 audio sounds great.
Tell me why I need a native 1080p video source. 'Cause I don't see why I should blow my hard earned cash on it.
Re: Jobs comments on Flash at Apple Town Hall Meeting - Mac-A-Matic - 02-01-2010
RAMd®d wrote:
Unless you're saying that none of the millions of iPhones and Touches (iWhatevers) purchased are never used to surf the Web. I say that a lot of them are, despite the fact that neither do Flash.
I rarely run across a site that has Flash content that I need. And few sites I visit use Flash.
The more devices that are in use that don't support Flash, the weaker the need for flash become. I remember when no sites used Flash. Change won't come soon. But change will never come if everyone resigns themselves to Flash.
That's crap too RAM.
We need devices that work FOR us and not FORCE us into whatever paradigm Apple wants.
The iPad - I'll pass. The iPhone is bad enough and I've got a Hackintosh Mini 9 for my travel needs.