+- MacResource (https://forums.macresource.com)
+-- Forum: My Category (https://forums.macresource.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=1)
+--- Forum: 'Friendly' Political Ranting (https://forums.macresource.com/forumdisplay.php?fid=6)
+--- Thread: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up (/showthread.php?tid=92611)
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - Buck - 02-09-2010
Wow! The MRF liberals are extremely closed minded. Afraid to click on a Fox News link??? Come on!
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - Doc - 02-09-2010
$tevie wrote:
I actually think that most of the potential complications/deaths after gall bladder surgery in this day and age are due to surgeon error. Things are quite close together and the wrong organs can get nicked. I'm willing to be corrected but I'm inclined to believe this story.
We don't know yet that anything was nicked.
Adhesions are common with abdominal surgery and are potentially quite deadly if not caught.
Another common complication of abdominal surgery is an ileus. Peristalsis stops after a surgeon handles the intestines and it can take several days before the body can process food properly again during which time obstructions can build, ulcers form, bacteria thrive and blood supplies may get choked off.
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - Mini 9 - 02-09-2010
stop making me cringe. I just scheduled a procedure for next week with my GastroE guy.
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - davester - 02-09-2010
Buck wrote:
Wow! The MRF liberals are extremely closed minded. Afraid to click on a Fox News link??? Come on!
There's no fear involved. It's just that experience has shown that it is not a reliable source of information so there's simply no point.
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - OWC Jamie - 02-09-2010
davester wrote:
[quote=billb]
CNN made the same claims yesterday.
A blog on CNN made that claim. Perhaps I haven't looked hard enough but a google news search didn't bring up any actual news sources that state that it was a surgical screw up. Everything I've read simply says there were surgical complications and/or that the large intestine was damaged. That's not to say that it wasn't a screw up, but that's nothing but rumor and jumping to conclusions as far as I can tell.
No, it was CNN dot com / politics/ article something or other/ feb 8, 2009
"nicked intestines and complications"
Washington Post, too.
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - Acer - 02-09-2010
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - Winston - 02-09-2010
I remember reading an article about how using checklists, the way pilots do, has a huge impact on error rates in hospitals. So much so that it was clear that every hospital should be using them. I asked a friend who is an orthopedic surgeon if this was the case and he assured me it was, but I didn't believe him.
Not a comment on Murtha, but is a comment on human nature. Highly trained surgeons don't want to be made to look more like technicians, even if it makes surgery safer. At least in Murtha's case there will be some decent scrutiny, so we should get some conclusions from someone.
- Winston
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - binky - 02-09-2010
As someone who actually performs surgery, let me present this in a way that might be easier to understand:
Peyton Manning is one of the best quarterbacks in football history. He is consistently able to throw a pass 5 to 15 yards with extreme accuracy. He does this day in and day out in different weather and environmental conditions. Yet even in his practiced hands, he can make a bad pass that gets picked off and returned 74 yards for a touchdown. He's human.
Surgeons are humans too. A general surgeon may do hundreds, thousands of gall bladder surgeries and may do them in patients who have anatomic variations that sometimes make the surgeries difficult. Even in the most practiced hands, bowel can get injured. It's rare, but it happens.
Now, dying from a nicked bowel -- there's all sorts of potential reasons this can happen. Maybe someone wasn't vigilant for a post operative infection. Maybe Murtha wasn't the healthiest person and succumbed more easily to infection than the average 77 year old. This tragic event happening doesn't necessarily mean there was a negligent surgeon involved.
Bink.
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - binky - 02-09-2010
Sorry, I meant to put in my post:
Checklists (like what airplane pilots do) are used in the hospital O.R. and do make surgeries safer. But, checklists wouldn't have made much of a difference in preventing this sort of surgical injury.
Bink.
Re: Murtha (see below) death was surgeon slip-up - Lux Interior - 02-09-2010
binky wrote:
As someone who actually performs surgery, let me present this in a way that might be easier to understand
Upgrading the hardrive in an iBook doesn't count.
