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Re: Thank you, Mr. President - swampy - 05-03-2011
I guess what the liberals are trying to rationalize is that it's okay to kill (Osama), but not to water board KSM to help obtain the intelligence to find him.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - john dough - 05-03-2011
We have a problem with waterboarding because it doesn't work.
"Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-one-phone-call_n_856674.html
There have been countless other studies where "enhanced interrogation" (more plainly, torture) not only gives you bad intelligence (they will say anything to make them stop) but it puts our troops at risk for retaliation.
I, for one, am glad that Osama is dead. Funny how the right is somehow upset that he was killed. This is coming from a group that said that Democrats were giving comfort to the enemy.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - haikuman - 05-03-2011
Re: Thank you, Mr. President
Posted by: Dakota [PM] [Ignore this user]
Date: May 03, 2011 10:00AM
The unease among the libs here is palpable. They don't know what to say. After years of preaching following the law to show we are better than them, they get this. Everything you have spoken against has come to pass, with great results i might add. No wonder you have been reduced to sausage making. But relax, you are not the only hypocrites,
The American Civil Liberties Union, which has vocally opposed the Obama administration’s use of lethal force outside of armed conflict zones, told POLITICO it has not released an official comment on bin Laden’s death, and has no plans to comment on it.
quote=swampy]
I guess what the liberals are trying to rationalize is that it's okay to kill (Osama), but not to water board KSM to help obtain the intelligence to find him.
So many kookbiscuits so little time ........
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - OWC Jamie - 05-03-2011
john dough wrote:
We have a problem with waterboarding because it doesn't work.
"Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation..."
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/02/osama-bin-laden-dead-one-phone-call_n_856674.html
There have been countless other studies where "enhanced interrogation" (more plainly, torture) not only gives you bad intelligence (they will say anything to make them stop) but it puts our troops at risk for retaliation.
I, for one, am glad that Osama is dead. Funny how the right is somehow upset that he was killed. This is coming from a group that said that Democrats were giving comfort to the enemy.
Nice cherry pick.
"Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic."
Even G Beck had a party
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/03/glenn-beck-celebrates-bin-laden_n_856806.html
is this a typical huffingtonpost reader ?
"the huffington post has to be the biggest source of liberal garbage on the internet. if it was printed on paper i wouldnt wipe my butt with it. "
certainly comical posting swill in a "swill" rag.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - Acer - 05-03-2011
I rather doubt waterboarding KSM in 2005 provided any help in the present operation.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - Greg - 05-03-2011
swampy wrote:
I guess what the liberals are trying to rationalize is that it's okay to kill (Osama), but not to water board KSM to help obtain the intelligence to find him.
Nope. People oppose torture because it doesn't work, and is therefore unnecessarily cruel.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - john dough - 05-03-2011
Waterboarding did not work, even though the Bush administration said it was ok. We got the intelligence without torturing him.
Yes, waterboarding is torture. The Military and CIA classifies it as such, and pre-Bush, it was not used, as it was thought to be cruel.
Beck is the biggest effing coward out there. For him to say ANYTHING about the military is a joke.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - OWC Jamie - 05-03-2011
Greg wrote:
[quote=swampy]
I guess what the liberals are trying to rationalize is that it's okay to kill (Osama), but not to water board KSM to help obtain the intelligence to find him.
Nope. People oppose torture because it doesn't work, and is therefore unnecessarily cruel.
People don't oppose torture because it does or doesn't work. It's simply a crime against humanity. Period.
If you believe waterboarding is torture then it is a crime against humanity.
If you believe it is not then it's not.
Some would even leave room for grey area.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - Greg - 05-03-2011
I agree that waterboarding is torture. I torturing could truly and reliably obtain intel, I might be able to put on ethical blinders. But, it doesn't.
Re: Thank you, Mr. President - $tevie - 05-03-2011
My problem is that some folks are bound and determined to suck all the air out of the room. Who isn't glad that OBL is dead? Then how about letting just ONE event pass without sh!tting all over it, or is that too much to ask?