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Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - Speedy - 02-24-2024
DinerDave wrote:
[quote=ztirffritz]
Everyone thinks of public charging as DC fast charging. That’s just for travel. We do need more L2 and even L1 charging. All new construction should include L1 or L2 suitable outlets in parking areas. Parking meters should be converted to L1 outlets. If people have cars, they have to be parked somewhere. They should all be charging while parked. It doesn’t need to be high power charging. 8A 120v is plenty if the car is parked for 8+ hours/day. Parking garages should just have an outlet for each parking space. It’s part of the cost of parking.
I like your thinking.
Dave
:agree:
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - Filliam H. Muffman - 02-24-2024
On-street parking with inductive charging pads would fix a lot of issues. Requirements for all apartments/condo/HOAs to add it, with federal grants (taken from oil company profits?) to pay for it.
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - mrbigstuff - 02-24-2024
DinerDave wrote:
[quote=mrbigstuff]
L2 and L1 charging requires 240 volt.
my prediction is that private lots will be providing this as incentives to get people to patronize their businesses - i.e., places where a prolonged stay would lead to significant charging time, like a restaurant, etc. Also, new public and private garages are more likely to occur.
Yes, parking lots, restaurants and supermarkets.
My town has two chain supermarkets, Stop and Shop has Volta L2 chargers with a two hour time limit, and Big Y has a L2 through the Charge Point, setup so you get 1 hour free, then $3 per hour after that. More than enough time for me in a supermarket. They also have a fast charger there. The major intersection of Rt 91 and Rt 2 has three chain restaurants huddled around the traffic circle. Pre pandemic I spoke with management of all 3, stated that since you have highway signs stating your location off the exit, install L2 chargers in your lot and put that on your sign. I stated that anyone with a plug in or an EV would choice you over the others if they could top off while eating, they all acted like I had 2 heads. Granted, this was 5 years ago, maybe they have a clue now?
Dave
yeah, that circle would be good.
if they install some at Hager's, once I have an EV I'll get the biggest maple softee I can get!
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - chopper - 02-24-2024
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - macphanatic - 02-24-2024
Fire marshals and insurance companies are leery about charging stations in parking garages. Regardless of fire frequency, EV fires require 10's of thousands of gallons of water and hours/days to extinguish. Fire departments aren't equipped to get equipment into a garage or the burning vehicle out of the garage. ICE car fires can be controlled by standard fire sprinklers and extinguishment can be accomplished with one or two fire hoses.
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - Speedy - 02-24-2024
kj wrote:
[quote=Speedy]
My 2013 and 2014 PHEVs are going strong!
We are vacationing and visiting family in Mexico City. I installed what I needed in order to recharge my car a few years ago. The 2014’s guessometer indicates 62 kms and the only time the gasoline generator has ran since we arrived in the city Jan. 14 was when I took the 2014 for its required pollution test. Today the air pollution was so bad the government announced a mandatory stoppage of a bunch of cars from traveling in the city but not mine.
Do those have Lithium batteries? Our Prius had NiMH, which have lasted 13yrs. so far, but that's a whole different thing.
Plus, does everyone in Mexico remove their emissions equipment, or do they just not require it there? Every single car we've noticed in Mexico has been crazy stinky.
Yes, our 2013 Volt and 2014 ELR both have lithium batteries and both have lost range. In another 10 years I expect they will have only half the range they did when new.
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Mexico City has very strict pollution control laws for cars and SUVs but not for trucks or motorcycles. Today I saw impounded vehicles being hauled away from a pollution checkpoint. Outside of the capital, not so much. My ELR’s inspection is only good for six months before it must be reinspected. I have a hologram stuck to the inside of my windshield with my plate number and the type of inspection passed. Not for private vehicles, but I saw a taxi get inspected which included a machine that tested rear shocks by pushing up about a foot on each rear wheel separately, sort of like what you might see in advertisements for off-road vehicles.
Today is day two of vehicle restrictions due to high air pollution because of a stationary high pressure system over the city. On day one all PHEVs and hybrid vehicles were exempt from any restrictions. Today PHEVs and hybrid vehicles with license plates ending in 0 or 1 were restricted based on increasing pollution levels from driving between 6am and 10pm. My plate has a 7 as its ending number so my vehicle will be restricted on Tuesday even though the only time my gasoline generator has run since we arrived on Jan. 14 was when it went through the pollution testing (my range guessometer is 62 kms which gets me wherever my wife wants to go). Last week we could see Volcano Popocatepetl (5th highest mountain in North America) steaming in the distance but not yesterday. Today I cannot see the neighborhoods built on the side of a nearby mountain (nor the mountain). If the high pressure system remains as is predicted I will not be able to see not-too-distant high rise buildings tomorrow and the day after barely to the end of the block.
On the bright side for this Minnesota snowbird is that the highs are in the 80’s without a cloud in the sky and thanks to the city’s 7,000 feet elevation the nights cool into the upper 40’s (the family house where we stay has no artificial heating or cooling, just open and close the window curtains as needed). BTW, people who can afford two newer hybrids make sure they don’t have plate numbers that would preclude them from not having at least one vehicle that can be driven during restrictions. Unfortunately most trucks and busses have no pollution inspection and they will soon be the primary source of vehicle pollution. Also unfortunate is that the state owned oil company has a stranglehold on politicians (sound similar to some USA states?) so there is zero incentive offered to buy an EV so they cost twice what an equivalent gas car costs (plenty of ICE production including for export to the USA, zero battery production, high import duties). There is a national election this summer and none of the presidential candidates offer anything that would meaningfully cut the level of pollution. In the summer the rainy season washes the polluted air because it rains for awhile most every afternoon or evening - the city, located in a valley, creates its own weather.
Mexico City is somewhat unique in that most personal vehicles will never once leave the city limits (neither of my brother-in-law’s two hybrids have left the city since he bought them over two years ago except one to attend his sister’s funeral about 140 miles away) because the city is the sole economic heart of the country with 15m+ inhabitants so EVs would be ideal, especially with the insane traffic levels. It also has nearby the cheapest wind power in the world generated at 2.5¢/kWh and the city mostly shuts down overnight resulting in excess generating capacity available for EV recharging.
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - Speedy - 02-24-2024
Filliam H. Muffman wrote:
On-street parking with inductive charging pads would fix a lot of issues. Requirements for all apartments/condo/HOAs to add it, with federal grants (taken from oil company profits?) to pay for it.
As previously posted, my first apartment in Minnesota back in 1970 had 110v outlets in the parking lot to run car tank heaters. Not hard (not cheap, either) to retrofit in apartments. I agree that parking meters could have 110v 20A outlets. Where there is a will, there is a way.
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - mrbigstuff - 02-24-2024
I've got to visit Mexico City; it's one if those places that fascinates on many levels.
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - Speedy - 02-24-2024
mrbigstuff wrote:
I've got to visit Mexico City; it's one if those places that fascinates on many levels.
Lots of wealth and lots of poverty.
Re: Now Mercedes Backs Off EVs - vision63 - 02-24-2024
Speedy wrote:
[quote=mrbigstuff]
I've got to visit Mexico City; it's one if those places that fascinates on many levels.
Lots of wealth and lots of poverty.
Speedy probably has some other sinister features that pique interest at checkpoints. hmm? hmm?