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Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - mattkime - 11-26-2008
>>Why does asking for proof of our future President's birthplace make someone an anti-Obama nut?
because he's been elected.
>>If so, wouldn't it be on public record? Wouldn't that be enough to silence the critics and stop lawsuits?
you're apparently not familiar with these people.
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Bill in NC - 11-26-2008
The case in Virginia had the court accepting his certificate and the certification by Hawaii state officials.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2123806/posts
Assuming any other case makes it before a court (not tossed for lack of standing), that court will simply cite the Virginia decision when dismissing.
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Gutenberg - 11-26-2008
Obama was born in Hawaii. Hawaii became a state in 1959, before Obama was born. Therefore he is a citizen of the United States. He could have been born to Jor-El and Lara Lor-Van, and he would be a citizen of the United States because he was born in the United States.
He travels on a United States passport. Someone in the largely Republican Department of State issued him a United States passport. Therefore whatever documentation Obama offered when he applied for his passport was convincing.
I wish there were a penalty in this country for frivolous lawsuits. The aptly named Gary Kreep would go broke within weeks.
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - karsen - 11-26-2008
Dakota wrote:
If you were advising Obama what would YOU recommend that he produce to put all these web sites and groups out of business?
Me? I'd advise Obama to bring it up during an interview and suggest that the people questioning his citizenship direct questions to the entity that certifies Presidential candidates. From the best I have been able to find out you are apparently supposed to prove citizenship before you are able to run for President. I'm not sure who handles that, but someone must do it, right? If that's the case, it's already been done, he's already been approved, and they should have the info on file.
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Ted King - 11-26-2008
I haven't read through every post of every thread on this, but just in case it hasn't come up before, there is this:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00
State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008
HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
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Has anyone provided even the tiniest shred of evidence that these individuals have conspired to lie?
Incidentally, from the little reading I've done it seems like karsen isn't out to lunch with the question about whether or not having a birth parent who is a citizen is sufficient to establish the citizenship of a child born in a foreign country (not even suggesting that Obama was) - that is, would such a person properly be considered "natural born" as required by the constitution to be eligible to be president. It seems - once again from my limited reading - to be an area of law that isn't well settled. Perhaps, though, someone could actually produce a link to a site that does establish that it is well settled.
Edit: Oops, dang. There were posts added after I started this post that sort of make it even more superfluous than it already was. Never mind. :-)
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - cbelt3 - 11-26-2008
uh.. it does not matter WHERE he was born, just that ONE of his parents is/was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and that he has accepted his US citizenship when he reached adulthood.
Besides, any judge that would try to set aside the election would find himself despised more than the million dollar pants judge.
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Lux Interior - 11-26-2008
Ted King wrote:
Has anyone provided even the tiniest shred of evidence that these individuals have conspired to lie?
That's whats so frigging awesome about conspiracy theories. You don't need no goddam evidence!
It's a conspiracy, man! They're ALL in on it!
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - karsen - 11-26-2008
Ted King wrote:
I haven't read through every post of every thread on this, but just in case it hasn't come up before, there is this:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00
State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008
HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
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Has anyone provided even the tiniest shred of evidence that these individuals have conspired to lie?
Incidentally, from the little reading I've done it seems like karsen isn't out to lunch with the question about whether or not having a birth parent who is a citizen is sufficient to establish the citizenship of a child born in a foreign country (not even suggesting that Obama was). It seems - once again from my limited reading - to be an area of law that isn't well settled. Perhaps, though, someone could actually produce a link to a site that does establish that it is well settled.
Edit: Oops, dang. There were posts added after I started this post that sort of make it even more superfluous than it already was. Never mind. :-)
To the people who think Obama is not a naturally born US citizen, there's your answer.
cbelt3 wrote:
uh.. it does not matter WHERE he was born, just that ONE of his parents is/was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and that he has accepted his US citizenship when he reached adulthood.
Besides, any judge that would try to set aside the election would find himself despised more than the million dollar pants judge.
That can be disputed. From what I read that isn't enough to make you a "naturally born" US citizen, which is a requirement to be President. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
The point is moot though, Hawaii claims Obama as their own. Case closed.
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Ted King - 11-26-2008
cbelt3 wrote:
uh.. it does not matter WHERE he was born, just that ONE of his parents is/was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and that he has accepted his US citizenship when he reached adulthood.
Besides, any judge that would try to set aside the election would find himself despised more than the million dollar pants judge.
Sorry, I added an edit later where I clarified that what I was referring to is the "natural born" clause in the constitution. IOW, from what I've read, it may not be well established that a person born of an American citizen in a foreign country would be considered a "natural born" citizen as required by the constitution to be president. I could very well be wrong about that, though.
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Greg the dogsitter - 11-26-2008
karsen wrote: The point is moot though, Hawaii claims Obama as their own. Case closed.
Only because you're a liberal lefty.