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Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - PeterB - 11-30-2008
freeradical, there is nothing in your link that says that he couldn't be a citizen of both countries at the same time... and it's doubtful he even is a citizen of Indonesia... but even if he were, he's still got American citizenship... born in Honolulu... Fourteenth Amendment and all...
swampy, the form you are referring to is the one that was examined by the state officials and certified as valid: http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
... by state law, they cannot release the original vault copy. What do you want them to do, break their own state law?
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - Carnos Jax - 11-30-2008
These discussions are getting to the point of "show us your p*nis to prove your a guy, I don't care if you showed it to a doctor, I want to see it for myself" (^_^)
Look, if everyone agrees that Obama's mother was an American citizen, then what is the problem where he was born? There is nothing in the Code of Federal Regulations that stipulates a requirement otherwise, does it?
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - $tevie - 11-30-2008
This is so stupid. If the Clinton people, and then the McCain people, couldn't find any reason to bring up these claims, then it is safe to assume it is because it is just a bunch of nonsense made up by racist, xenophobic kooks. You know damn well if there was any validity to it at all, it would have come out sometime during the two-year, very contentious election process. The idea that a couple of cranks on the internet and a whacked-out Professional Candidate could find information that the very sophisticated, highly bankrolled, highly connected DC insiders on the Clinton and McCain teams could not is simply pathetic.
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - Black Landlord - 11-30-2008
Swampy, what day is this ad supposed to appear? I normally avoid bringing newspapers into my house because they pile up and my part if town currently has no recycling program, but I would like to buy a copy.
swampy wrote:
I have had two PMs from participants on this forum advising me that BHO's birth certificate as presented on the Obama home page and Factchek are valid.
To clarify. Obama has proffered a copy of "Certification of Live Birth" as evidence of his 'natural born" status (often referred to as a 'short form'). This type of certificate is often issued in cases where a child is born outside the hospital (usually home birth) and can be obtained by either parent for up to a year after birth. It does not have witnessing signatures and other vitals such as physical location of birth (hospital name).
The suits are asking for a copy of his 'long form' "Certificate of Live Birth" which is the paperwork usually done by the hospital and generally called the "vault copy". It does contain the name of the birthing hospital, parental signature, doctor's signature and a witness signature along with other information.
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - Black Landlord - 11-30-2008
Swampy?
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - swampy - 11-30-2008
freeradical wrote:
This is what the State Department says about dual nationality.
What Indonesia says about dual citizenship
http://travel.state.gov/travel/cis_pa_tw/cis/cis_2052.html
"Dual Nationality: Indonesian law does not recognize dual nationality for adults over 18 years of age. Because of this, U.S. citizens who are also documented as Indonesian nationals may experience difficulties with immigration formalities in Indonesia. Holding dual citizenship may also hamper the U.S. Embassy or Consulate’s ability to provide consular protection to Americans. In addition to being subject to all Indonesian laws affecting U.S. citizens, dual nationals may also be subject to other laws that impose special obligations on Indonesian citizens. In July 2006 the Indonesian Parliament passed new legislation allowing children under age 18 to maintain a foreign nationality as well as Indonesian citizenship. Parents whose children hold both Indonesian and U.S. citizenship may experience difficulties with entry and exit immigration procedures until the new law is fully implemented".
BHO was adopted by his stepfather and took his last name. There was no dual citizenship recognized at that time. Children at that time had to be citizens to attend school in Indonesia. He was registered in school as "Indonesian" citizenship and "Muslim" for his religion. Only since 2006 has Indonesia allowed dual citizenship for children under 18.
But the questions still remains. How did BHO resolve this issue with US immigration and the State Department at age 18?
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - swampy - 11-30-2008
Black Landlord wrote:
What day is this ad supposed to appear?
The .pdf does not resemble a press release as far as I can see-- no real info.
According to the PDF, December 1
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - $tevie - 11-30-2008
So now you are saying that it was resolved but you want to know how it was resolved? Are you now implicating the US Department of State in your conspiracy? How far into the ozone are you people willing to go before you admit you are absolutely acting like insane people?
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - PeterB - 11-30-2008
swampy, doesn't matter if Indonesia doesn't recognize dual citizenship, the U.S. does. He cannot have lost U.S. citizenship unless he expressly renounced it, as described in Ted Post's link. There's no evidence he has.
Re: Full Page Ad to Appear in Chicago Trib - swampy - 11-30-2008
PeterB wrote:
freeradical, there is nothing in your link that says that he couldn't be a citizen of both countries at the same time... and it's doubtful he even is a citizen of Indonesia... but even if he were, he's still got American citizenship... born in Honolulu... Fourteenth Amendment and all...
swampy, the form you are referring to is the one that was examined by the state officials and certified as valid: http://www.kitv.com/politics/17860890/detail.html?rss=hon&psp=news
... by state law, they cannot release the original vault copy. What do you want them to do, break their own state law?
http://www.redcounty.com/williamson/2008/11/obamas-constitutionally-faithl/
"Doctor Fukino's October 31, 2008 statement that the "the Hawaii State Department of Health has Barack Obama's original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures" is consistent with any one of the following three evidential circumstances:
(1) A long form original birth certicate signed by the attending physician stating that the birth occurred at a specific Honolulu, Hawaii hospital dated 7:42 pm August 4, 1961 exists and was physically viewed, inspected, and verified by Dr. Fukino and Vital Records Chief Dr. Alvin Onaka.
(2) An alternate document dated subsequent to August 4, 1961 by as much as one or several years, verified by one witness consistent who may or may not have been an attending physician which may or may not name the hospital of birth in Honolulu, Hawaii or elsewhere was physically viewed, inspected, and verified by Dr. Fukino and Vital Records Chief Dr. Alvin Onaka. Such an alternate document was legally submitted under the Hawaii Birth Certificate Program, which was a law on the books in that state from 1911 to 1972.
(3) No physical document was viewed or inspect. Instead, the information technology records and procedures related to the manner in which the data base record for Barack Obama that is enterred into the State of Hawaii Birth Certificate data base was physically viewed, inspected, and verified by Dr. Fukino and Vital Records Chief Dr. Alvin Onaka.""
Dr. Fukino did not specify WHICH document was verified (long or short form) only that it was the ORIGINAL document.
I think the SCOTUS has the power to subpoena for the original long form. Perhaps Congress does too.