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Re: Gun owners commit less crime - Acer - 03-26-2024
Fun fact: America largely abandoned the model well-regulated militia of townsfolk after the war of 1812. The quality of the militias was very uneven. Some states took it seriously, some did not. Our invasion of Canada largely failed because they were so bad. The regulars performed much better.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - Mr645 - 03-26-2024
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
I am a member of Florida's well regulated militia
I train about twice per month,
...
:bs:
Even if you are, in fact, part of this collection of military wannabes, a bunch of gun lovers self-proclaiming themselves as such in no way constitute the real “well regulated Militia” of the 2nd Amendment whatsoever!
More like the Proud Boys than the actual National Guard!
https://flmilitia.org/index.html
Just an example of how delusional you are. I am a Jewish liberal, I have no interest in military life, although I thank those loyal Americans that pay for my freedom, and yours.
I do accept responsibility for protecting my home and family, and the US Constitution gives me that right and ability. While it's obvious you detest the freedom Americans enjoy, that gives you no right to take away the rights of others. There are over 100 other nations that can offer you the appearance of greater safety in exchange for going up your freedom, there are legal ways to immigrate to those countries
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - DeusxMac - 03-26-2024
Mr645 wrote:
Just an example of how delusional you are. I am a Jewish liberal...
Your posts on trump, guns, blacks, etc. belie that claim.
Mr645 wrote: I have no interest in military life, although I thank those loyal Americans that pay for my freedom, and yours.
And yet you claim to be "a member of Florida's well regulated militia"...
Mr645 wrote: While it's obvious you detest the freedom Americans enjoy, that gives you no right to take away the rights of others. There are over 100 other nations that can offer you the appearance of greater safety in exchange for going up your freedom, there are legal ways to immigrate to those countries
I've got no insecurities about my service; nothing to prove to you or any of your gun-loving posers.
Here's mine; let's see yours...
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - Mr645 - 03-28-2024
You confuse "militia" as defined in 1776 and "Military" I know they look similar but have different meanings.
lib·er·al
adjective
1.
willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
2.
relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
For some reason leftist socialists call them selves liberals when they are clearly against accepting the views of others, against individual rights and liberties and against free enterprise. You seem to support a president that has weaponized the DOJ to charge a political rival fr expressing his 1st amendment rights, support a president that has publicly stated he wants to end the 2nd amendment
As a military vet, I would assume you can handle a firearm, including small to medium caliber rifles and full size handguns. Yet you seem willing to take away the freedoms and rights you once fought for because of the actions of criminals.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - DeusxMac - 03-28-2024
Mr645 wrote:
You confuse "militia" as defined in 1776 and "Military" I know they look similar but have different meanings.
Please demonstrate exactly where I have "confused militia with military"; if you can.
Mr645 wrote:
For some reason leftist socialists call them selves liberals when they are clearly against accepting the views of others, against individual rights and liberties and against free enterprise.
Labeling myself and others here as "leftist socialists" demonstrates a lack of understanding what that term actually means.
Bare assertion fallacy – a claim that is presented as true without support, as self-evidently true, or as dogmatically true.
Fallacy of composition – assuming that something true of part of a whole must also be true of the whole.
Mr645 wrote: You seem to support a president that has weaponized the DOJ to charge a political rival fr expressing his 1st amendment rights, support a president that has publicly stated he wants to end the 2nd amendment
Bare assertion fallacy – a claim that is presented as true without support, as self-evidently true, or as dogmatically true.
Mr645 wrote: As a military vet, I would assume you can handle a firearm, including small to medium caliber rifles and full size handguns. Yet you seem willing to take away the freedoms and rights you once fought for because of the actions of criminals.
I figured you'd dodge the "military-wannabe-ness" of membership in the so called Florida "militia". I was not wrong.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - Mr645 - 03-29-2024
DeusxMac wrote:
[quote=Mr645]
You confuse "militia" as defined in 1776 and "Military" I know they look similar but have different meanings.
Please demonstrate exactly where I have "confused militia with military"; if you can.
Mr645 wrote:
For some reason leftist socialists call them selves liberals when they are clearly against accepting the views of others, against individual rights and liberties and against free enterprise.
Labeling myself and others here as "leftist socialists" demonstrates a lack of understanding what that term actually means.
Bare assertion fallacy – a claim that is presented as true without support, as self-evidently true, or as dogmatically true.
Fallacy of composition – assuming that something true of part of a whole must also be true of the whole.
Mr645 wrote: You seem to support a president that has weaponized the DOJ to charge a political rival fr expressing his 1st amendment rights, support a president that has publicly stated he wants to end the 2nd amendment
Bare assertion fallacy – a claim that is presented as true without support, as self-evidently true, or as dogmatically true.
Mr645 wrote: As a military vet, I would assume you can handle a firearm, including small to medium caliber rifles and full size handguns. Yet you seem willing to take away the freedoms and rights you once fought for because of the actions of criminals.
I figured you'd dodge the "military-wannabe-ness" of membership in the so called Florida "militia". I was not wrong.
I am of age to where I never faced a draft. So if you infer I "dodged" the military by not signing up for military service, I guess. That however does not infer I am some sort of military wanna-be, I have not aspirations to join the military, never did. I am more of the entrepreneur type, never really did well working for others. I however understand the value of protecting our freedoms and highly appreciate the special group of people that have protected our way of life.
As for my views on firearms, for most of my life I never really thought about them, until corrupt politicians began making banning of guns an issue. I decided to take it upon myself to learn about the topic. It became very clear that those fighting to take away our rights have no clue what they are talking about and for me that is a problem. They lie, deliver gross disinformation and pander to the weak in their efforts to stay in control
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - DeusxMac - 03-29-2024
Mr645 wrote:
[quote=DeusxMac]
[quote=Mr645]
You confuse "militia" as defined in 1776 and "Military" I know they look similar but have different meanings.
Please demonstrate exactly where I have "confused militia with military"; if you can.
Mr645 wrote:
For some reason leftist socialists call them selves liberals when they are clearly against accepting the views of others, against individual rights and liberties and against free enterprise.
Labeling myself and others here as "leftist socialists" demonstrates a lack of understanding what that term actually means.
Bare assertion fallacy – a claim that is presented as true without support, as self-evidently true, or as dogmatically true.
Fallacy of composition – assuming that something true of part of a whole must also be true of the whole.
Mr645 wrote: You seem to support a president that has weaponized the DOJ to charge a political rival fr expressing his 1st amendment rights, support a president that has publicly stated he wants to end the 2nd amendment
Bare assertion fallacy – a claim that is presented as true without support, as self-evidently true, or as dogmatically true.
Mr645 wrote: As a military vet, I would assume you can handle a firearm, including small to medium caliber rifles and full size handguns. Yet you seem willing to take away the freedoms and rights you once fought for because of the actions of criminals.
I figured you'd dodge the "military-wannabe-ness" of membership in the so called Florida "militia". I was not wrong.
I am of age to where I never faced a draft. So if you infer I "dodged" the military by not signing up for military service, I guess. That however does not infer I am some sort of military wanna-be, I have not aspirations to join the military, never did. I am more of the entrepreneur type, never really did well working for others. I however understand the value of protecting our freedoms and highly appreciate the special group of people that have protected our way of life.
And yet you gleefully accuse those who disagree with you of being anti-American, anti-democracy, anti-"freedom"; telling them they should leave the county. The arrogance is unfathomable!
What actual sacrifices have YOU made for the U,S. (aside from claiming militia cosplay)?
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - wowzer - 04-03-2024
DeusxMac wrote:
And yet you gleefully accuse those who disagree with you of being anti-American, anti-democracy, anti-"freedom"; telling them they should leave the county. The arrogance is unfathomable!
What actual sacrifices have YOU made for the U,S. (aside from claiming militia cosplay)?
Deusxmac cannot win an argument on the subject so he goes on private attacks.
But to the subject at hand, the belief that a person should be responsible for their own safety is not a new one. It is a fundamental right to defend oneself. Yet, the anti gunners would have only criminals access to firearms.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - wowzer - 04-03-2024
Mr645 wrote:
As for my views on firearms, for most of my life I never really thought about them, until corrupt politicians began making banning of guns an issue. I decided to take it upon myself to learn about the topic. It became very clear that those fighting to take away our rights have no clue what they are talking about and for me that is a problem. They lie, deliver gross disinformation and pander to the weak in their efforts to stay in control
Absolutely. I never fired a firearm until 2016. My wife told me to buy one because it looked like Hillary was going to win and crime would become even more rampant. I bought a mossberg 500 and began to read and learn about firearms. If you need instructional, go watch Paul Harrell. He is quite informative and stays clean of politics.
After reading about how police aren’t required to come save you, I realized that the courts expect you to be your own first responder. The Joe Lozito case really brings out this point. You are responsible for your own safety.
Re: Gun owners commit less crime - wowzer - 04-03-2024
DeusxMac wrote:
:bs:
Even if you are, in fact, part of this collection of military wannabes, a bunch of gun lovers self-proclaiming themselves as such in no way constitute the real “well regulated Militia” of the 2nd Amendment whatsoever!
More like the Proud Boys than the actual National Guard!
https://flmilitia.org/index.html
Again, the militia is made up of every US citizen who are NOT in the military. Those who are currently serving are the uniformed military. A militia is comprised of irregulars. As for being a gun lover, what’s wrong with that? There are car lovers, with deaths from car crashes about the same as for all cause gun deaths. There are lovers of wine and alcohol, which kills twice as many by guns. There are people who smoke, which account for 5 times the number for gun deaths.
Then, of course, the fact that violent crimes have dropped over the last 40 years, while gun ownership has increased. While association is not causation, it is telling that ever higher rates of gun ownership doesn’t associate with worsening violent crimes.
https://usafacts.org/articles/which-states-have-the-least-and-most-crime/
However, the BLM and antifa riots and defunding of police clearly have association with increased murders and violent crimes.