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Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Mac1337 - 11-26-2008
karsen wrote:
[quote=Ted King]
I haven't read through every post of every thread on this, but just in case it hasn't come up before, there is this:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00
State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008
HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
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Has anyone provided even the tiniest shred of evidence that these individuals have conspired to lie?
Incidentally, from the little reading I've done it seems like karsen isn't out to lunch with the question about whether or not having a birth parent who is a citizen is sufficient to establish the citizenship of a child born in a foreign country (not even suggesting that Obama was). It seems - once again from my limited reading - to be an area of law that isn't well settled. Perhaps, though, someone could actually produce a link to a site that does establish that it is well settled.
Edit: Oops, dang. There were posts added after I started this post that sort of make it even more superfluous than it already was. Never mind. :-)
To the people who think Obama is not a naturally born US citizen, there's your answer.
cbelt3 wrote:
uh.. it does not matter WHERE he was born, just that ONE of his parents is/was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and that he has accepted his US citizenship when he reached adulthood.
Besides, any judge that would try to set aside the election would find himself despised more than the million dollar pants judge.
That can be disputed. From what I read that isn't enough to make you a "naturally born" US citizen, which is a requirement to be President. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
The point is moot though, Hawaii claims Obama as their own. Case closed.
Sorry, I was away. What closed the case?
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Greg the dogsitter - 11-26-2008
karsen wrote:
[quote=Ted King]
I haven't read through every post of every thread on this, but just in case it hasn't come up before, there is this:
http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iw1At-4G1xuE50oXVFRlBPfR3dqgD945OLU00
State declares Obama birth certificate genuine
Oct 31, 2008
HONOLULU (AP) — State officials say there's no doubt Barack Obama was born in Hawaii.
Health Department Director Dr. Chiyome Fukino said Friday she and the registrar of vital statistics, Alvin Onaka, have personally verified that the health department holds Obama's original birth certificate.
Fukino says that no state official, including Republican Gov. Linda Lingle, ever instructed that Obama's certificate be handled differently.
She says state law bars release of a certified birth certificate to anyone who does not have a tangible interest.
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Has anyone provided even the tiniest shred of evidence that these individuals have conspired to lie?
Incidentally, from the little reading I've done it seems like karsen isn't out to lunch with the question about whether or not having a birth parent who is a citizen is sufficient to establish the citizenship of a child born in a foreign country (not even suggesting that Obama was). It seems - once again from my limited reading - to be an area of law that isn't well settled. Perhaps, though, someone could actually produce a link to a site that does establish that it is well settled.
Edit: Oops, dang. There were posts added after I started this post that sort of make it even more superfluous than it already was. Never mind. :-)
To the people who think Obama is not a naturally born US citizen, there's your answer.
cbelt3 wrote:
uh.. it does not matter WHERE he was born, just that ONE of his parents is/was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and that he has accepted his US citizenship when he reached adulthood.
Besides, any judge that would try to set aside the election would find himself despised more than the million dollar pants judge.
That can be disputed. From what I read that isn't enough to make you a "naturally born" US citizen, which is a requirement to be President. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
The point is moot though, Hawaii claims Obama as their own. Case closed.
Karsen, shame on you for writing so cryptically. I have great trouble following statements of the form "x, therefore y."
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Gutenberg - 11-26-2008
You are being deliberately dense, aren't you, Dakota?
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - Greg the dogsitter - 11-26-2008
Gutenberg wrote:
You are being deliberately dense, aren't you, Dakota?
Doesn't "dense" refer to physical properties of matter? What are you trying to say, Gutenberg?
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - karsen - 11-26-2008
Obama's passport photo:
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - rgG - 11-26-2008
cbelt3 wrote:
uh.. it does not matter WHERE he was born, just that ONE of his parents is/was a US citizen at the time of his birth, and that he has accepted his US citizenship when he reached adulthood.
Actually, it is kind of a muddy area, but not as far as Obama is concerned, SINCE HE WAS BORN IN THE STATE OF HAWAII. Not yelling at you cbelt3, I just wanted that to stand out.
Read the Wiki on the definition of "natural born citizen", it is interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - dmann - 11-26-2008
lafinfil wrote:
Idiots - It's an Indiana passport
We require them to travel from Ohio to Illinois via the toll road.
Crap. See if you can hook me up, will you 'fil? I can't believe I haven't been busted on this yet, but I want to make sure everything is in order before my 2016 Presidential run.
DM
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - lafinfil - 11-26-2008
rgG wrote:
Read the Wiki on the definition of "natural born citizen", it is interesting.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural-born_citizen
The 1790 Congress, many of whose members had been members of the Constitutional Convention, provided in
the Naturalization Act of 1790 that "And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea,
or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens." In addition George Washington was
president of the Constitutional Convention and President of the United States when this bill became law.
If Washington disagreed with this definition, he could have vetoed this bill.
Dang lefty founding fathers
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - lafinfil - 11-26-2008
dmann wrote:
[quote=lafinfil]
Idiots - It's an Indiana passport
We require them to travel from Ohio to Illinois via the toll road.
Crap. See if you can hook me up, will you 'fil? I can't believe I haven't been busted on this yet, but I want to make sure everything is in order before my 2016 Presidential run.
DM
No problem - just send me an engraving of Benjamin Franklin and I'll get the paperwork started
: -)
Re: 7 days remaining until Obama disqualification - rgG - 11-26-2008
Since Obama's father was not a citizen of the US, I think there might have been some question about his eligibility, If he hadn't been born in Hawaii, one of the 50 states, but he was, so in my mind, there is no question. All the rest is just idle speculation.