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Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
Black wrote:
[quote=kj]
But some are acting like we finally now have proof Obama is a god (as they've known all along, even when they were being a fickle bunch). kj.
Where are these people doing what you say?
People you overhear on the bus? Coworkers?
I have somehow not experienced one person enthusiastically praising Obama for the Bin Laden execution, on this forum or IRL.
My perception is that people on this forum are enthusiastically praising Obama for the Bin Laden execution, but I guess ymmv. And that's ok. kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Black - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
[quote=Black]
[quote=kj]
But some are acting like we finally now have proof Obama is a god (as they've known all along, even when they were being a fickle bunch). kj.
Where are these people doing what you say?
People you overhear on the bus? Coworkers?
I have somehow not experienced one person enthusiastically praising Obama for the Bin Laden execution, on this forum or IRL.
My perception is that people on this forum are enthusiastically praising Obama for the Bin Laden execution, but I guess ymmv. And that's ok. kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
Grace62 wrote:
[quote=kj]
>>The short term impact of Bush's foreign policy was that terror attacks increased all over the world.
I've never seen this assertion. How would you make this case? Just curious, but not terribly invested. kj.
By Susan B. Glasser
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 27, 2005
The number of serious international terrorist incidents more than tripled last year, according to U.S. government figures, a sharp upswing in deadly attacks that the State Department has decided not to make public in its annual report on terrorism due to Congress this week.
Overall, the number of what the U.S. government considers "significant" attacks grew to about 655 last year, up from the record of around 175 in 2003, according to congressional aides who were briefed on statistics covering incidents including the bloody school seizure in Russia and violence related to the disputed Indian territory of Kashmir.
Terrorist incidents in Iraq also dramatically increased, from 22 attacks to 198, or nine times the previous year's total -- a sensitive subset of the tally, given the Bush administration's assertion that the situation there had stabilized significantly after the U.S. handover of political authority to an interim Iraqi government last summer.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/04/26/AR2005042601623.html
I'm sorry, that's seriously an impressive attempt. But it doesn't make a case at all for Bush's foreign policy being responsible for a world wide increase in terrorism. How were the two events listed related to Bush's foreign policy? Maybe they were, but I think one would need to make a little better case. I certainly wouldn't argue with the assertion that they increased in Iraq though. Plus you said short term. Two or three years doesn't seem all that short-term, unless we're talking geological time.
If your proof works, what does this "prove":
http://articles.cnn.com/2010-05-26/us/terrorism.document_1_terror-groups-adam-gadahn-plotting?_s=PM:US
I guess Obama's foreign policy didn't work very well in March:
http://www.imra.org.il/story.php3?id=51741
Not to mention that for your point to mean anything at all, you need to show that terrorist activity has decreased during Obama's term, and that it is lower than it was during previous presidents' tenures. Well, and that something he has done caused that decrease.
At any rate, I can't for the life of me understand why people would want to compare Obama to Bush anyway. Low bar? Obama is doing something better than the "worst president ever". Impressive.
kj.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - kj - 05-04-2011
RgrF wrote:
[quote=kj]
[quote=Seacrest]
[quote=kj]
What it all comes down to is that Obama REALLY needed a political victory to help him out of the flushed toilet. Yay for him. All the rest of the analysis is B.S. that no one actually believes. kj.
Yeah.
This.
I mean, capturing and killing the "World's Most Dangerous Man™*" is child's play, and Obama waited until just the opportune time (between election years, sure, but during May sweeps) to pull it off.
That they were able to time the whole operation perfectly to coincide with Trump's TV show finale shows just how callous and cunning this man is.
He. will. stop. at. nothing.
Nothing.
*About that. Frankly, he was a shnook. Having the whole believe he was some cool evil cat roughing it in a hilltop cave, while all the while he's chillin' P.I.M.P.-style in Pakistan's version of Bubble Hill.
Just saying that Obama needs a little help, and this will help his image, at least temporarily. But some are acting like we finally now have proof Obama is a god (as they've known all along, even when they were being a fickle bunch). kj.
kj posits have always been problematical. His assertion that he's anything but just another Idaho Obama hater has probably just gone by the boards.
Yeah rog, my use of the term "status quo" is pretty obviously driven by pure hatred. Rog, you're so status quo. And Black...STATUS QUO. All of you...
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Gutenberg - 05-04-2011
You can't take it, kj. Neither can Dakota. If this particular shoe were on a Republican foot we would all be hearing what a magnificent accomplishment this is for the US and all of mankind. But since the President happens to be a Democrat, it's a terrible abuse of international law and an awful blow to our national image while somehow vindicating W's use of torture. Don't bother us with all of the Faux News Rush Limbaugh-Michelle Malkin crap.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Black - 05-04-2011
Well, at least the "moving target" trolling provides a bit of a respite from the "easy target" trolling we've gotten used to lately.
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - $tevie - 05-04-2011
Gutenberg wrote:
You can't take it, kj. Neither can Dakota. If this particular shoe were on a Republican foot we would all be hearing what a magnificent accomplishment this is for the US and all of mankind. But since the President happens to be a Democrat, it's a terrible abuse of international law and an awful blow to our national image while somehow vindicating W's use of torture. Don't bother us with all of the Faux News Rush Limbaugh-Michelle Malkin crap.
Amen!
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Lux Interior - 05-04-2011
kj wrote:
My perception is that people on this forum are enthusiastically praising Obama for the Bin Laden execution, but I guess ymmv. And that's ok. kj.
So now you're saying that praising Obama is tantamount to worshiping him as a god?
Or were you avoiding that part of Black's question altogether?
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - OWC Jamie - 05-04-2011
Gutenberg wrote:
You can't take it, kj. Neither can Dakota. If this particular shoe were on a Republican foot we would all be hearing what a magnificent accomplishment this is for the US and all of mankind. .
Um, actually we'd more likely be listening to the Left's drumbeat of impeachment for war crimes. Sovereignty invasions, god knows what else.
It's certainly GREAT that it happened on Obama's watch and not 7 years from now on someone elses's.
It would have been even nicer if Clinton had got him before 9/11.
Or the Soviets got him .
Re: It's all about Pakistan now - Grace62 - 05-04-2011
billb wrote:
[quote=Gutenberg]
You can't take it, kj. Neither can Dakota. If this particular shoe were on a Republican foot we would all be hearing what a magnificent accomplishment this is for the US and all of mankind. .
Um, actually we'd more likely be listening to the Left's drumbeat of impeachment for war crimes. Sovereignty invasions, god knows what else.
.
bill,
I'm sorry to hear that you were in a coma circa 2002-2008. I hope you're feeling better now. Now that you're awake, you'll want to seek better information sources than the rightwingnutosphere, particularly in the arena of "what the left thinks."