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Baseball Rules question - (vikm) - 05-17-2006
This stems from the Bonds "incident" the other night...
Say an umpire issues a warning to a pitcher about him possibly having thrown at a batter. If the same pitcher proceeds to hit a batter at any other point in the game, is the umpire required to eject the pitcher for it even if he doesn't believe he intentionally threw at the batter? Is it a black and white issue or can the ump deem it accidental and allow the pitcher to continue?
Any kind of documentation or link to this rule would be greatly appreciated. Had an argument/discussion about this last night with a buddy. Thanks.
Re: Baseball Rules question - jimbrady - 05-17-2006
No, the ump is still able to use discretion. You'll have to find your own link, though.
Re: Baseball Rules question - Kiva - 05-17-2006
don't have a link for you, but I'm 99% sure the umpire has to believe it was intentional. The rule (which I dislike, btw) already takes away the inside part of the plate for the rest of the game, making it a mandatory ejection would be even worse..
kiva
Re: Baseball Rules question - sscutchen - 05-17-2006
There is no rule covering when or if an umpire can eject someone from the game. It is totally up to their discretion.
9.01(d) Each umpire has authority to disqualify any player, coach, manager or substitute for objecting to decisions or for unsportsmanlike conduct or language, and to eject such disqualified person from the playing field. If an umpire disqualifies a player while a play is in progress, the disqualification shall not take effect until no further action is possible in that play.
An upire can toss a player or coach without any warning at all. Or the can issue a warning, but this does not force them to eject on the next offense. It is still their judgement alone.
The only ejectable offense specifically called out is arguing balls and strikes:
9.02(a) Players leaving their position in the field or on base, or managers or coaches leaving the bench or coaches box, to argue on BALLS AND STRIKES will not be permitted. They should be warned if they start for the plate to protest the call. If they continue, they will be ejected from the game.
"It is easy to throw someone out of the game. It's hard to keep someone in the game" -- MLB Umpire Larry Young on Fox Sports Hardcore Baseball, discussing how umpires try not to run players and coaches. August 1, 2000.
"An umpire doesn't eject a manager or player, they eject themselves. They know exactly what they can say and who they can say it to. So when somebody is thrown out, he has either completely lost control, or he intended to be run." -- MLB Umpire Eric Gregg
Somebody once described umpiring as watching a game and telling people what happened. Safe, out; ball, strike; interference, obstruction; EJ... it's all the same. -- Herb Root
Re: Baseball Rules question - (vikm) - 05-17-2006
Ok, well that is pretty much what I thought. And I suppose there isn't going to be a rule in the books stating something if it isn't really a rule. I'll let the burden be on him to find one if it exists. Thanks for the input
Re: Baseball Rules question - Silencio - 05-17-2006
Love Bonds or hate him, the Astros' actions in yesterday's game were totally bush league. Even more nauseating were their fans, who actually cheered their pitcher intentionally throwing at an opposing player. The Astros and Phil Garner in particular have a history of pulling that kind of crap.
Bonds handled it perfectly: didn't utter a peep and calmly went to first. When he came around to score later in the inning, he told his pitcher (Jamey Wright, who earlier in the season retailated against the Padres for plunking Bonds) to just keep pitching and close out the game.
Someone on the 'Stros is getting drilled tonight, though.
Re: Baseball Rules question - sscutchen - 05-18-2006
The Astros and Phil Garner in particular have a history of pulling that kind of crap.
What basis do you have for this assertion?
Re: Baseball Rules question - Kiva - 05-18-2006
sscutchen: I'm not sure I can completely defend that statement, but the Astros and the Giants have been in beanball wars before...last year (or was it 2 years ago) some stuff went down. Maybe bad blood from that?
Funny that nobody got drilled in last nite's game...maybe they'll save it for later :-)