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Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - Black - 06-07-2012
http://news.yahoo.com/insight-occupy-wall-street-survive-050229644--finance.html
Summary . . . pretty much "no."
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - cbelt3 - 06-07-2012
I find the comparison between Occupy and TEA tactics telling and amusing.
Not to mention the dichotomy of a self-styled "unsentimental leftist" Harvard professor discussing the issue... Harvard students, who definitely either are or want to be part of the "1%". Nothing quite like the elite discussing a movement of ... the children of the elite.
The comparison with the Civil Rights movement is equally inept... the Civil Rights movement was made up quite significantly of people who were the victims. Based on a statistical study I noted, at least NYC's Occupy movement seems to have been well populated with the children of the 1%.
In the end, of course, the Occupy Movement's lack of organization and coherent structure and goals is and will continue to be its downfall.
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - Avenger - 06-07-2012
Black wrote:
http://news.yahoo.com/insight-occupy-wall-street-survive-050229644--finance.html
Summary . . . pretty much "no."
The reason it is a no is because they "missed" their target. They should have picketed the Congress, DoJ and the White House. Nothing they were protesting was illegal. If they wanted to make them illegal, sleeping in the parks and causing mayhem was not the way to do it. Any comparison with the tea party is purely political. The tea party does it exactly the way the framers had in mind. You don't like what you see? Elect people who can bring the changes you want. Occupy could not enlist a single politician to their cause.
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - Acer - 06-07-2012
So, aside from the failed strategy of OWS to seek redress, would you say that their actual claims have merit?
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - cbelt3 - 06-07-2012
Acer-
It's hard to synthesize their actual claims or demands in that herd of cats.
A lack of cohesion produces a diffuse objective.
A diffuse objective produces the same results as a fart in a windstorm. A brief smell, quickly diffused.
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - $tevie - 06-07-2012
I'm not sure it's fair to compare the Tea Party movement to OWS, since the Tea Party movement was infiltrated by moneyed political organziations who were able to con the movement into becoming part of the system, which obviously wouldn't fly with the Occupy people. So if indeed OWS has lost its momentum, it surely has more to do with the fact that in this country money talks, and thus a movement which abhors the influence of money could in theory be rendered almost mute.
The many people who have participated/are participating in the Occupy movement may have to resign themselves that in order to achieve any real influence they are going to have to "sell out". In which case, they may actually prefer to remain small and struggling and unbeholden, whether or not it makes any sense to the rest of us.
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - Black - 06-07-2012
Acer wrote:Not sure who you're addressing, but if it's me, my answer is yes, absolutely.
So, aside from the failed strategy of OWS to seek redress, would you say that their actual claims have merit?
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - mattkime - 06-07-2012
OWS's biggest mistake is becoming visible before having financial backing
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - cbelt3 - 06-07-2012
but.. matt... WHO would they get backing from ? The enemy ?
Of course that works for political parties.
Re: Article: Can the Occupy Movement Survive? - swampy - 06-07-2012
Their backing comes from S.E.I.U. (who pays their office rental, phones etc. in D.C.) and George Soros (who pays expenses such as printing, bus rentals to move people around etc.) I'm referring to the "new" Occupy movement, not the grassroots college kids and disenfranchised newage hippies that started the movement. I am referring to the radical anarchists that have evolved from the original folks.
This was pointed out on Fox News and I really don't care if you believe it or not.