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ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - Black - 08-02-2012
"Sources" are really chatty today.
http://news.yahoo.com/psychiatrist-called-threat-team-aurora-shooting-suspect-james-215740780--abc-news-topstories.html
But experts said today that Holmes' departure should have been a red alert.
"You know, I think that's the signal that you should intensify your efforts, not walk away," said Barry Spodak, a threat assessment expert. "Under those circumstances, most well-trained threat assessment teams would have gone into action."
I wonder if he's a certified licensed Threat Assessment Expert? Has he kept his membership in the American Threat Assessment Expert's Association current?
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - cbelt3 - 08-02-2012
They probably showed his picture to the campus cops and gave instructions to pepper spray him if they saw him.
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - OWC Jamie - 08-02-2012
Everyone sees the red flags on Monday.
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - $tevie - 08-02-2012
Black wrote: I wonder if he's a certified licensed Threat Assessment Expert? Has he kept his membership in the American Threat Assessment Expert's Association current?
He's pretty well versed in this stuff, I think.
http://www.linkedin.com/pub/barry-spodak/17/624/154
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - Lemon Drop - 08-02-2012
More details in the local paper, if anyone is interested.
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_21212797/alleged-theater-gunman-was-referred-threat-assessment-team#comments
Whether this psychiatrist, and/or the university, met their federally mandated responsibility to report him to police hinges on what Holmes told her.
That isn't known yet. Only that she had serious concerns, but the university apparently dropped it.
All interesting. Nothing here lessens the culpability of the killer. Nothing changes the fact that different gun laws might have also led to a different outcome.
Just another facet.
Good to keep in mind that mental health professionals take steps every day that keep individuals safe from themselves and keep others safe. When people fall through the cracks, it's good to understand what happened. That's not scapegoating. Learn, move ahead.
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - Black - 08-02-2012
Lemon Drop wrote:
When people fall through the cracks, it's good to understand what happened. That's not scapegoating. Learn, move ahead.
What's the takeaway here? Should there be some sort of additional reporting requirement to outside agencies?
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - Lemon Drop - 08-02-2012
Black wrote:
[quote=Lemon Drop]
When people fall through the cracks, it's good to understand what happened. That's not scapegoating. Learn, move ahead.
What's the takeaway here? Should there be some sort of additional reporting requirement to outside agencies?
I don't think there's a takeaway until the facts are all in. There is a reporting requirement, no reporting to outside authorities was done in this case.
What do you think?
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - Lemon Drop - 08-02-2012
Here's a link to the full list of state Tarasoff laws. note that in Colorado reporting is mandatory, and threatened victims can include "the general public," some states require it to be a specific person or persons.
Tarasoff was the case in California, from the 70's, that led to the introduction of state laws requiring health professionals and social workers or staff to report certain threats made by their patients or clients.
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1551505
COLORADO
Type: Mandatory
Citation: Conn. Gen. Stat. ยง 52-146c
Effective Year: 1987
Deciding Body: State Legislation
Professional(s) Named: A physician, social worker, psychiatric nurse, psychologist, or other
mental health professional and a mental health hospital, community mental health center or
clinic, institution, or their staff
Standard of Threat: Serious threat of imminent physical violence
Standard of Victim: Specific person or persons (extended to general public in Perreira v State,
768 P.2d 1198 (1989)).
Parties Warned: Any person or persons specifically threatened, as well as notifying an
appropriate law enforcement agency
Notes: See Johnson (1991)3 for an analysis of Perreira.
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - PeterB - 08-02-2012
I told you all this a week or so ago. The University is currently denying any culpability, but I think once all the facts are out (IF they are ever out), it will turn out that they knew full well that he might pose a danger to himself or others, and did nothing about it.
Re: ABC news: "sources" say Holmes discussed by Threat Assessment Committee at UC - Acer - 08-02-2012
Is there a football legacy to protect?