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from Sh&t My Dad Says... - decay - 10-13-2012
"Anyone who thinks they know what's best for 300 million people is a titanic asshole. So we're just voting for king of the assholes."
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - Pops - 10-13-2012
It's not 150 million + 1 that matters, as we know from Tilden and Gore. If we ever get a SERIOUS 3rd party candidate with the opportunity to affect the electoral process, it could get interesting. I'm not holding my breath. I've lived through George Wallace and Ross Perot attempts; the others, like Anderson, were truly inconsequential in any electoral sense.
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - hal - 10-13-2012
Pops wrote:
It's not 150 million + 1 that matters, as we know from Tilden and Gore. If we ever get a SERIOUS 3rd party candidate with the opportunity to affect the electoral process, it could get interesting. I'm not holding my breath. I've lived through George Wallace and Ross Perot attempts; the others, like Anderson, were truly inconsequential in any electoral sense.
I can see it happening one day. There'd have to be a very decisive issue with three compelling alternative solutions with roughly 25-30% of the population in strong support.
Or a faction spins off of one of the parties - like the tea party splitting from the repubs.
Or a current third party champions an issue that the other two refuse to back - then some big news event happens that proves the 3rd party was right just in time to gather steam for the upcoming election.
Our two party system is still quite young, but the future goes on forever...
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - Ombligo - 10-13-2012
Rather than a third party i see a greater chance of fractionalization. Maybe 5-10 small parties able to gather steam in Congress. There are a large number not happy with either political party that could begin aligning themselves into single issue parties unwilling to compromise at all - groups like hard-core pro-life, socialist, isolationist, etc..
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - Dennis S - 10-13-2012
Can you imagine how fractionalized a 3rd party itself would eventually be? I just don't see it happening.
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - Black - 10-13-2012
decay wrote:
"Anyone who thinks they know what's best for 300 million people is a titanic asshole. So we're just voting for king of the assholes."
That's an incredibly ignorant statement. Good enough for a passing laugh in a sitcom but that's about it. Not all presidential contenders make silly claims like "knowing what's best for 300 million people." Our current president has been clear from the start that he sees his responsibility as trying to represent the interests of the majority of Americans, and drawing on experts in many areas to determine the best course of action for those considerations. If the public is not willing to vote for someone unless they purport to have all the answers, then it's pretty clear who the assholes are.
The "all politicians are _______" attitude is something lazy people hide behind when they don't want to make the effort to find out who the good public servants are.
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - $tevie - 10-13-2012
Black wrote:
[quote=decay]
"Anyone who thinks they know what's best for 300 million people is a titanic asshole. So we're just voting for king of the assholes."
That's an incredibly ignorant statement. Good enough for a passing laugh in a sitcom but that's about it. Not all presidential contenders make silly claims like "knowing what's best for 300 million people." Our current president has been clear from the start that he sees his responsibility as trying to represent the interests of the majority of Americans, and drawing on experts in many areas to determine the best course of action for those considerations. If the public is not willing to vote for someone unless they purport to have all the answers, then it's pretty clear who the assholes are.
The "all politicians are _______" attitude is something lazy people hide behind when they don't want to make the effort to find out who the good public servants are. :agree:
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - Dennis S - 10-13-2012
Obama is a qualified and earnest public servant. He is not perfect. No one is. He had an economic disaster to clean up. Not only did he get no help from the other side, but they sabotaged him.
It boggles the mind that Republican voters don't believe that the same party that caused the problems will, with the help of two obvious con-men, raise their taxes, likely start another war, and dismantle Medicare and Social Security for their children and grandchildren. The ignorance and stupidity of these people is beyond belief.
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - Ombligo - 10-13-2012
Dennis S wrote::agree:
Obama is a qualified and earnest public servant. He is not perfect. No one is. He had an economic disaster to clean up. Not only did he get no help from the other side, but they sabotaged him.
It boggles the mind that Republican voters believe that the same party that caused the problems will, with the help of two obvious con-men, raise their taxes, likely start another war, and dismantle Medicare and Social Security for their children and grandchildren. The ignorance and stupidity of these people is beyond belief.
Re: from Sh&t My Dad Says... - mrbigstuff - 10-14-2012
Ombligo wrote:
Rather than a third party i see a greater chance of fractionalization. Maybe 5-10 small parties able to gather steam in Congress. There are a large number not happy with either political party that could begin aligning themselves into single issue parties unwilling to compromise at all - groups like hard-core pro-life, socialist, isolationist, etc..
third parties are pink unicorns. every time a third party is mentioned, there are starry visions of the perfect candidate, who is an archetype of virtue (at least the virtues of the dreamer) and possesses no human fault.
i'm much more in agreement with you have said above.