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"Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - Ted King - 07-11-2013
This is heartening:
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/institutes-and-centers/polling-institute/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=1919
American voters say 55 - 34 percent that Edward Snowden is a whistle-blower, rather than a traitor, according to a Quinnipiac University national poll released today.
In a massive shift in attitudes, voters say 45 - 40 percent the government's anti-terrorism efforts go too far restricting civil liberties, a reversal from a January 14, 2010, survey by the independent Quinnipiac (KWIN-uh-pe-ack) University when voters said 63 - 25 percent that such activities didn't go far enough to adequately protect the country.
Almost every party, gender, income, education, age and income group regards Snowden as a whistle-blower rather than a traitor. The lone exception is black voters, with 43 percent calling him a traitor and 42 percent calling him a whistle-blower.
There is a gender gap on counter-terrorism efforts as men say 54 - 34 percent they have gone too far and women say 47 - 36 percent they have not gone far enough. There is little difference among Democrats and Republicans who are about evenly divided. Independent voters say 49 - 36 percent that counter-terrorism measures have gone too far.
Some of the largest growth in those concerned about the threat to civil liberties is among men and Republicans, groups historically more likely to be supportive of governmental anti- terrorism efforts.
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - cbelt3 - 07-11-2013
I'll diffidently note that Republicans often tend to be a bit more on the libertarian side... small government and all that.
Also if Mr. Snowden had been anything other than a white bread 'Merican the polling might have gone otherwise. Haj Abdul SnowAllah would have had some serious problems. Of course he would not have gotten the job, either.
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - Lemon Drop - 07-11-2013
Some of the largest growth in those concerned about the threat to civil liberties is among men and Republicans, groups historically more likely to be supportive of governmental anti- terrorism efforts.
Obama effect.
They had no such concerns when George W. Bush and a Republican-led 107th Congress passed the first Patriot Act in 2001, the thing that now makes all this possible. And if Mitt Romney were in office now...
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - Ted King - 07-11-2013
cbelt3 wrote:
I'll diffidently note that Republicans often tend to be a bit more on the libertarian side... small government and all that.
That's probably true to a certain extent, but many Republicans tend to cherry pick their libertarianism rather than apply libertarian principles consistently; e.g., many social conservatives.
cbelt3 wrote:
Also if Mr. Snowden had been anything other than a white bread 'Merican the polling might have gone otherwise. Haj Abdul SnowAllah would have had some serious problems. Of course he would not have gotten the job, either.
That's plausible.
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - Lemon Drop - 07-11-2013
I'm glad to see more people get concerned about the erosion of civil rights.
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - cbelt3 - 07-11-2013
Lemon-
Yup. Most folk tend to stand up when they recognize that their personal civil rights have been violated instead of the rights of 'those people'. And the wild overreaching on the poorly written reactionary law has made that clear.
Of course there are even better exceptions....
Florida's new anti gambling law accidentally made all computers, smart phones, and so forth illegal. Oops.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/10/oops-florida-has-outlawed-computers-and-smartphones-says-new-lawsuit.html
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - Ted King - 07-11-2013
cbelt3 wrote:
Florida's new anti gambling law accidentally made all computers, smart phones, and so forth illegal. Oops.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2013/07/10/oops-florida-has-outlawed-computers-and-smartphones-says-new-lawsuit.html
That would outlaw the state run lottery, too, wouldn't it?
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - Lemon Drop - 07-11-2013
cbelt3 wrote:
Lemon-
Yup. Most folk tend to stand up when they recognize that their personal civil rights have been violated instead of the rights of 'those people'. And the wild overreaching on the poorly written reactionary law has made that clear.
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Yes, good point, if you think back to the political climate of fall 2001...there was in fact great concern from civil libertarians about the Patriot Act, specifically the domestic wire-tapping and other spying on US citizens that was allowed, but that concern was squelched by Congress and by the Bush administration.
Remember the argument that 9/11 could have been prevented if our law enforcement agencies had less "red tape" to deal with?
Well, some of that "red tape" was about protection of constitutionally protected rights, and we let that go.
Who knows if we get it back, ever.
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - haikuman - 07-11-2013
I would suggest politely there is an abundance of naivete in the results of the survey and the forum comments. Along with hyperbole. I would be interested if you could define the freedom and civil liberties we have lost recently . . . ?
Google and the entire web own all our identities. They have belonged to them for a very long time
me thinks . . .
Re: "Quinnipiac University National Poll Finds; Big Shift On Civil Liberties vs. Counter-Terrorism " - Lemon Drop - 07-11-2013
where to begin?
The Patriot Act and its various predecessors, the Roberts Court??
State legislatures and reproductive rights?
extrajudicial killings?