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Helium party balloons saved from extinction - Ted King - 07-17-2013 Well, helium party balloons aren't really threatened with extinction, but a shortage of helium has been a growing problem for party goers and, more importantly, scientists and engineers. But a new production facility should help: http://cen.acs.org/articles/91/i28/Helium-Supply-Lift.html The start-up of a big new helium plant in Qatar should go a long way to ease shortages of the lighter-than-air chilling gas, which is essential to the operation of many scientific instruments and to the manufacture of fiber-optic cables and semiconductors. Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - cbelt3 - 07-17-2013 Not so fast, Buckaroo Banzai. He (Helium 4) is obtained in some drilling operations (a byproduct of oil drilling) and distilled in the process. It is not easy to Manufacture, unless you're tapping the gaseous output of nuclear power plants. And then you don't get much. Theoretically you'd need another Big Bang, or at least a fusion power plant, to make more Helium. Or a big straw into the Sun or one of the gas giants in the solar system. You won't see the price drop, and it's still a "Limited" resource. Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - ztirffritz - 07-17-2013 Helium is a finite resource. The US oil fields happen to have a bunch of it, actually most of the world's known supply, which is why the US stockpiled it during WWII. (they thought that lighter than air vehicles would figure more prominently in the war effort.) After 70+ years politicians got involved and stupidity resulted. They mandated that the US get out of the He stockpiling business. They flooded the market and all kinds of stupid Helium businesses popped up. Now the He market is starting to drift toward a real market economy. You'll find that Helium balloons will soon cost $30-$50 to inflate (I'm just pulling the number out of a rear facing orifice, but you get the idea) Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - testcase - 07-17-2013 They are building the new plant? I thought it was still up in the air.......8-) Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - Ted King - 07-17-2013 cbelt3 wrote: All I said was that this new production facility should help with the shortage. That's true, isn't it? Are you saying that more production will make no difference in how short the supply of helium is for scientists, engineers and party balloon fans who want to get their hands on some? Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - ztirffritz - 07-17-2013 This will explain it better than I could: http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2012/09/28/161962626/the-weird-story-of-why-helium-prices-are-going-through-the-roof Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - eustacetilley - 07-17-2013 Where I used to work, liquid Helium at $5 started to be an issue, so many of the groups looked into closed systems, where the vented gas was re-liquified. But then again, back in the eighties, when we went through a _lot_ of film, we set up a Silver recycling plant... What worries some researchers more is the shortage of 3-He. It is difficult and expensive to purify it from natural, so we some of it from the Russians, who were making a little profit from their Tritium waste product . ($110 per liter, STP, 1999.) Although commonly only thought of as a future source feed for Fusion plants, it actually has many interesting research uses, not the least of which is refrigeration. One plan that died was to make a large particle detector, coincidentally cooled by Liquid 3-He. It was killed by the estimated cost of $20M for the coolant, and it turns out that there wasn't enough of the liquified gas available to fill it. http://www.physicstoday.org/resource/1/phtoad/v64/i5/p20_s1?bypassSSO=1 Eustace Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - Acer - 07-18-2013 ztirffritz wrote: (I'm just pulling the number out of a rear facing orifice, but you get the idea) Got any helium in there? Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - Ted King - 07-18-2013 testcase wrote: Yesterday when I read your post, I just assumed you were making a pun, but when I happened to notice it again today it occurred to me that maybe you weren't. The article I linked to was dated for yesterday from an outfit that seems to be reliable. The caption under that picture in the article says, "This helium liquefier, shown under construction, is now operating in Qatar." Re: Helium party balloons saved from extinction - Ombligo - 07-19-2013 He at more than $1cf is making my Scuba diving very costly. I still open circuit and He cost alone can add 40-$50 to filling each of my breathing tanks for a dive. |