"Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?"


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"Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 02-28-2014 "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas? Liberals have a problem with bright shiny objects" http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116789/liberalism-arizona-gay-rights-and-arkansas-medicaid-expansion?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=4067724 Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - SteveG - 02-28-2014 Six Other States http://nation.time.com/2014/02/27/arizona-kansas-same-sex-bill-refusal-of-service-gay/ Here are six related proposals getting less attention than the battles in Kansas and Arizona. Missouri Senate Bill 916: Introduced a week after the bill in neighboring Kansas was kiboshed, this Republican-backed measure broadens the state’s definition of protected “free exercise of religion” to include “an act or refusal to act that is substantially motivated by sincere religious belief.” Though it does not explicitly mention sexual orientation, an op-ed writer for the Kansas City Star pointed out the similarities and said that “letting Kansas go down the yellow-brick rat hole alone seems to never be good enough for some Missouri lawmakers.” Illinois House Bill 4263: Currently sitting in the state rules committee, this proposal was filed as a counter-measure to a law passed last year stating that all state protections, rights and benefits apply equally to both same-sex and opposite-sex couples, as well as their children. The summary states that “no religious organization, including a school, is required to provide religious facilities for a marriage solemnization ceremony or celebration associated with	is in violation of its religious beliefs.” South Dakota Senate Bill 66: Introduced by nearly 30 lawmakers, this proposal is designed to “provide immunity to clergy, lay officials, and religious organizations that decline to provide certain marriage services” if those marriages are “contrary to the individual’s or entity’s sincerely held religious beliefs, philosophical beliefs, or matters of conscience.” State Sen. Ernie Otten, one of the sponsors, has withdrawn another bill that would have more broadly protected people or businesses that denied service to gay and lesbian couples. Otten told the Associated Press in January that he felt the bills were necessary to have in place should courts overturn the state’s ban on gay marriage, much like a judge did in Texas on Wednesday. Otten did not answer a request for comment about why he withdrew the second bill. Tennessee House Bill 2467 and Senate Bill 2566: These companion bills introduced in each of the legislature’s chambers this February protect virtually any business or person from lawsuits if they refuse services, goods, counseling, adoption or employment benefits to same-sex couples, “if doing so would violate the sincerely held religious beliefs.” A note on the bills’ impact states that public employees would still need to provide services to everyone, unlike the Kansas bill, which included government workers. Oregon Ballot Initiative #52: Oregon is one of 20 states that has a law on the books that prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation. This proposed ballot initiative would protect people who violate that law from penalties and civil actions when that violation is “based on religious beliefs against same-sex marriage/civil union/domestic partnership ceremonies.” A baker like one in a high-profile Colorado incident could refuse to make wedding cake for gay couples if voters approved the measure. Hawaii House Bill 2493: This bill protects religious organizations and non-profits from any claims “related to any refusal to provide goods, services, or facilities for the solemnization or celebration of a marriage that is in violation of the organization’s religious beliefs or faith.” Introduced in January, the bill is currently in committee. Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - davester - 02-28-2014 What a ridiculous article. The author is feigning outrage that "liberals" have brought pressure on a particular piece of legislation, while "liberals" have brought less pressure on a COMPLETELY UNRELATED ISSUE in ANOTHER STATE, thus supporting a ridiculous strawman he seems to have constructed regarding how "liberals" choose causes. This is what passes for journalism these days? How did that piece of tripe even get past the editor? I can imagine the editor saying something like "We haven't published an article about the hypocrisy of liberals lately...get something on my desk by friday, and make sure it has a link to that gay thing in Arizona that's getting a lot of press". Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 02-28-2014 I happen to agree with the article. You probably aren't on FB and Twitter, davester, where certain topics become a cause célèbre while others wither on the vine. "Boring" legislature regarding the old and the poor and the sick DOES get ignored by the thundering herds of social media whether you care to admit it or not. EVERYONE knows about Arizona's bill and that Brewer vetoed it. Almost NOBODY can tell you what is happening vis a vis the expansion of Medicaid in which states. Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - rjmacs - 02-28-2014 $tevie wrote: I happen to agree with the article. You probably aren't on FB and Twitter, davester, where certain topics become a cause célèbre while others wither on the vine. "Boring" legislature regarding the old and the poor and the sick DOES get ignored by the thundering herds of social media whether you care to admit it or not. EVERYONE knows about Arizona's bill and that Brewer vetoed it. Almost NOBODY can tell you what is happening vis a vis the expansion of Medicaid in which states. Is anyone threatening to boycott Arkansas because they are considering rolling back Medicaid expansion? Is the business community up in arms over it, with business leaders hollering that this mustn't happen? Are the parties arguing for Medicaid reduction doing so on the basis of religious belief/bias? I'm not saying people shouldn't pay more attention to important issues, but there are some actual differences here, methinks. Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 02-28-2014 I think you have entered "chicken or the egg" territory. If a bill dies in the forest and nobody is there, does it get a tweet? Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - Chakravartin - 03-01-2014 $tevie wrote: Liberals have a problem with bright shiny objects So, make it shiny. Engage the national press. Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 03-01-2014 Chakravartin wrote: [quote=$tevie] Liberals have a problem with bright shiny objects So, make it shiny. Engage the national press. That's the ticket.

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"Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 02-28-2014

"Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?

Liberals have a problem with bright shiny objects"

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/116789/liberalism-arizona-gay-rights-and-arkansas-medicaid-expansion?utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_content=4067724

Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - SteveG - 02-28-2014

Six Other States http://nation.time.com/2014/02/27/arizona-kansas-same-sex-bill-refusal-of-service-gay/

Here are six related proposals getting less attention than the battles in Kansas and Arizona.

Missouri Senate Bill 916: Introduced a week after the bill in neighboring Kansas was kiboshed, this Republican-backed measure broadens the state’s definition of protected “free exercise of religion” to include “an act or refusal to act that is substantially motivated by sincere religious belief.” Though it does not explicitly mention sexual orientation, an op-ed writer for the Kansas City Star pointed out the similarities and said that “letting Kansas go down the yellow-brick rat hole alone seems to never be good enough for some Missouri lawmakers.”

Illinois House Bill 4263: Currently sitting in the state rules committee, this proposal was filed as a counter-measure to a law passed last year stating that all state protections, rights and benefits apply equally to both same-sex and opposite-sex couples, as well as their children. The summary states that “no religious organization, including a school, is required to provide religious facilities for a marriage solemnization ceremony or celebration associated with

is in violation of its religious beliefs.”

South Dakota Senate Bill 66: Introduced by nearly 30 lawmakers, this proposal is designed to “provide immunity to clergy, lay officials, and religious organizations that decline to provide certain marriage services” if those marriages are “contrary to the individual’s or entity’s sincerely held religious beliefs, philosophical beliefs, or matters of conscience.” State Sen. Ernie Otten, one of the sponsors, has withdrawn another bill that would have more broadly protected people or businesses that denied service to gay and lesbian couples. Otten told the Associated Press in January that he felt the bills were necessary to have in place should courts overturn the state’s ban on gay marriage, much like a judge did in Texas on Wednesday. Otten did not answer a request for comment about why he withdrew the second bill.

Tennessee House Bill 2467 and Senate Bill 2566: These companion bills introduced in each of the legislature’s chambers this February protect virtually any business or person from lawsuits if they refuse services, goods, counseling, adoption or employment benefits to same-sex couples, “if doing so would violate the sincerely held religious beliefs.” A note on the bills’ impact states that public employees would still need to provide services to everyone, unlike the Kansas bill, which included government workers.

Oregon Ballot Initiative #52: Oregon is one of 20 states that has a law on the books that prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation. This proposed ballot initiative would protect people who violate that law from penalties and civil actions when that violation is “based on religious beliefs against same-sex marriage/civil union/domestic partnership ceremonies.” A baker like one in a high-profile Colorado incident could refuse to make wedding cake for gay couples if voters approved the measure.

Hawaii House Bill 2493: This bill protects religious organizations and non-profits from any claims “related to any refusal to provide goods, services, or facilities for the solemnization or celebration of a marriage that is in violation of the organization’s religious beliefs or faith.” Introduced in January, the bill is currently in committee.

Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - davester - 02-28-2014

What a ridiculous article.

The author is feigning outrage that "liberals" have brought pressure on a particular piece of legislation, while "liberals" have brought less pressure on a COMPLETELY UNRELATED ISSUE in ANOTHER STATE, thus supporting a ridiculous strawman he seems to have constructed regarding how "liberals" choose causes.

This is what passes for journalism these days? How did that piece of tripe even get past the editor? I can imagine the editor saying something like "We haven't published an article about the hypocrisy of liberals lately...get something on my desk by friday, and make sure it has a link to that gay thing in Arizona that's getting a lot of press".

Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 02-28-2014

I happen to agree with the article. You probably aren't on FB and Twitter, davester, where certain topics become a cause célèbre while others wither on the vine. "Boring" legislature regarding the old and the poor and the sick DOES get ignored by the thundering herds of social media whether you care to admit it or not. EVERYONE knows about Arizona's bill and that Brewer vetoed it. Almost NOBODY can tell you what is happening vis a vis the expansion of Medicaid in which states.

Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - rjmacs - 02-28-2014

$tevie wrote:
I happen to agree with the article. You probably aren't on FB and Twitter, davester, where certain topics become a cause célèbre while others wither on the vine. "Boring" legislature regarding the old and the poor and the sick DOES get ignored by the thundering herds of social media whether you care to admit it or not. EVERYONE knows about Arizona's bill and that Brewer vetoed it. Almost NOBODY can tell you what is happening vis a vis the expansion of Medicaid in which states.

Is anyone threatening to boycott Arkansas because they are considering rolling back Medicaid expansion? Is the business community up in arms over it, with business leaders hollering that this mustn't happen? Are the parties arguing for Medicaid reduction doing so on the basis of religious belief/bias? I'm not saying people shouldn't pay more attention to important issues, but there are some actual differences here, methinks.

Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 02-28-2014

I think you have entered "chicken or the egg" territory. If a bill dies in the forest and nobody is there, does it get a tweet?

Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - Chakravartin - 03-01-2014

$tevie wrote:
Liberals have a problem with bright shiny objects

So, make it shiny.

Engage the national press.

Re: "Arizona's Anti-Gay Bill Failed. Good. But Did You Hear About Arkansas?" - $tevie - 03-01-2014

Chakravartin wrote:
[quote=$tevie]
Liberals have a problem with bright shiny objects

So, make it shiny.

Engage the national press.
That's the ticket.