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"Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - $tevie - 02-28-2014

BRUSSELS — Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel warned Russia on Thursday to stay out of the turmoil in Ukraine, while NATO defense ministers issued repeated statements meant to show support for the new leadership in Kiev.

“We expect other nations to respect Ukraine’s sovereignty and avoid provocative action,” Mr. Hagel said after the ministers met at NATO headquarters here. “That’s why I’m closely watching Russia’s military exercises along the Ukrainian border, which they just announced yesterday.”

The Russian defense minister, Sergey K. Shoigu, was quoted by state news media saying the exercises were meant to “check combat readiness of armed forces in western and central military districts as well as several branches of the armed forces.” Though General Shoigu did not mention Ukraine, Western officials interpreted the exercises as a warning from Moscow.


http://www.nytimes.com/2014/02/28/world/europe/hagel-warns-russia-not-to-intervene-in-ukraine.html?_r=0


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - SteveG - 02-28-2014

One of the big problems is that Russia already has a BIG military presence in Crimea as part of their Black Sea fleet.


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - hal - 02-28-2014

This is getting scary. Russian officials calling the Ukraine gov't criminal, the USA saying 'hand off! '

yikes!


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - rjmacs - 02-28-2014

Steve G. wrote:
One of the big problems is that Russia already has a BIG military presence in Crimea as part of their Black Sea fleet.

We've got a BIG military presence in South Korea, Germany, and Japan, but we don't tell them how to run their countries... (well, we sort of do, but not through military threat.)

Now, President Obama has reiterated this tone: "There will be costs" if Russia intervenes. Escalation!


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - vision63 - 02-28-2014

Two superpowers that can only slap fight.


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - $tevie - 03-01-2014

U.S. Spies Said No Invasion—Putin Disagreed
A day after U.S. intelligence said there would be no Russian invasion of Ukraine, Putin’s troops started coming over the border.

On Thursday night, the best assessment from the U.S. intelligence community—and for that matter most experts observing events in Ukraine—was that Vladimir Putin’s military would not invade Ukraine. Less than 24 hours later, however, there are reports from the ground of Russian troops pushing into the Ukrainian province of Crimea. It’s hardly a full-blown invasion. But it’s not quite the picture U.S. analysts were painting just a day before.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/02/28/u-s-spies-said-no-invasion-putin-disagreed.html


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - max - 03-01-2014

Empty threats.


Lets put this picture into an analogous perspective;
imagine California, Arizona, New Mexico, the territories that were a part of US for more than 170 years, breaking off and China telling Washington to stay away.
Sure, that is going to happen.....

And now, thanks to Bill Clinton setting the precedent in Kosovo, Russia is free to play another Ossetia scenario....


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - haikuman - 03-01-2014

"And now, thanks to Bill Clinton setting the precedent in Kosovo, Russia is free to play another Ossetia scenario...."

As usual we have a well defined, skewed and myopic point of view from the provocateur *(:>*


Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - Ted King - 03-01-2014

The wayback machine yields this in the year before ousted President Yanukovych was elected in 2010:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/28/world/europe/28crimea.html

New York Times, August 2009

A year after its war with Georgia, Russia is engaging in an increasingly hostile standoff with another pro-Western neighbor, Ukraine.

Protesters in Kiev, Ukraine’s capital, held posters this week that were critical of President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia.

Russian s-e-amen [forum filter] marched during a military parade in late July in Sevastopol, a port city in Ukraine where Russia has long maintained a naval base and much of the population has Russian ties.

Relations between the two countries are more troubled than at any time since the Soviet collapse, as both sides resort to provocations and recriminations. And it is here on the Crimean Peninsula, home to a Russian naval base, where the tensions are perhaps most in danger of bursting into open conflict.

Late last month, the Ukrainian police briefly detained Russian military personnel who were driving truckloads of missiles through this port city, as if they were smugglers who had come ashore with a haul of contraband. Local officials, it seemed, were seeking to make clear that this was no longer friendly terrain.

Ukraine has in recent years been at the forefront of the effort by some former Soviet republics to switch their alliances to the West, and it appears that the Kremlin has, in some sense, had enough.

President Dmitri A. Medvedev of Russia denounced Ukraine this month for “anti-Russian” policies, citing in particular its “incessant attempts” to harass Russia’s naval base in Sevastopol. Mr. Medvedev condemned Ukraine’s bid for NATO membership and its support for Georgia, and said he would not send an ambassador to Ukraine.

And the criticism has not let up since then.

Monday was Ukrainian independence day, and Russian prosecutors used the occasion to accuse Ukrainian soldiers and members of Ukrainian nationalist groups of fighting alongside Georgia’s military in the war last August. The Ukrainians denied the charges, but they underscored the bitterness in Moscow.

For its part, the Ukrainian government, which took power after the Orange Revolution of 2004, has repeatedly accused Russia of acting as a bully and trying to dominate the former Soviet space both militarily and economically.

Looming is a presidential election in Ukraine in January, which might cause Ukrainian candidates to respond more aggressively to Russia to show their independence. The Kremlin might seek to exploit the situation to help pro-Russian politicians in Kiev.

Both countries publicly avow that they do not want the bad feelings to spiral out of control.

Still, they persist, especially in Sevastopol, where Russia has maintained a naval base since czarist times.

The Kremlin has bristled at what it sees as Ukraine’s disrespectful governing of a city that it formerly controlled — one that was the site of momentous military battles, including in the Crimean War and World War II.

Ukraine appears to regard the base as a sign that Russia still wants to project its military might over the region.

The Ukrainians have not only briefly detained Russian military personnel transporting missiles on several occasions this summer. They also expelled a Russian diplomat who oversees naval issues and barred officers from the F.S.B., the Russian successor to the K.G.B., from working in Sevastopol.

The Ukrainians are trying to close a nearby Russian navigation station and are threatening penalties over supposed pollution from Russian vessels off Sevastopol, which is on the south of the Crimean Peninsula.



Re: "Hagel Warns Russia Not to Intervene in Ukraine" - haikuman - 03-01-2014

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Ukraine

The territory of Ukraine has been inhabited for at least forty four thousand years.[1] It is where the horse was first domesticated[2] and a candidate site of the origins of the Proto-Indo-European language family.[3][4]

According to a popular and well established theory, the medieval state of Kievan Rus was established by the Varangians in the 9th century as the first historically recorded East Slavic state. It emerged as a powerful nation in the Middle Ages but disintegrated in the 12th century. By the middle of the 14th century, present Ukrainian territories were under the rule of three external powers: the Golden Horde, the Grand Duchy of Lithuania, and the Kingdom of Poland, during the 15th century these lands came under the rule of the Crown of the Kingdom of Poland, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth (since 1569), and Crimean Khanate.[5] In 1653 the greater portion of the population rebelled against dominantly Polish Catholic rule and in January 1654 an assembly of the people (rada) voted at Pereyaslav to turn to Moscow, effectively joining the southeastern portion of the Polish-Lithuanian empire east of the Dnieper River to Russia.[6] After the Partitions of Poland (1772–1795) and conquest of Crimean Khanate, Ukraine was divided between Russia and Austria, thus the largest part of Ukraine was integrated into the Russian Empire, with the rest under Austrian (known as Austro-Hungarian since 1849) control.


A chaotic period of warfare ensued after the Russian Revolution, with internationally recognized establishment of an independent Ukrainian People's Republic. Independent Ukraine emerged from its own civil war. The Ukrainian–Soviet War followed, which resulted in the Soviet Army establishing control in late 1919[7]Soviet victory. The conquerors created the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic, which on 30 December 1922 became one of the founding republics of the Soviet Union. The Soviet government was hostile to Ukrainian language and Ukrainian culture; there were mass repressions of Ukrainian poets, historians and linguists. Then there was a genocide of Ukrainians: millions of people starved to death in 1932 and 1933 in the Holodomor. After the 1939 invasion of Poland by Nazi Germany and Soviet Union, the Ukrainian SSR's territory was enlarged westward. During World War II the Ukrainian Insurgent Army tried to reestablish Ukrainian independence and fought against both Nazi Germany and the Soviet Union. But in 1941 Ukraine was occupied by Nazi Germany, being liberated in 1944. In 1945, the Ukrainian SSR became one of the founding members of the United Nations.[8] In 1954, it expanded to the south with the transfer of the Crimea.

Ukraine became independent again when the Soviet Union dissolved in 1991. This dissolution started a period of transition to a market economy, in which Ukraine suffered an eight-year recession.[9] Since then, however, the economy has experienced a high increase in GDP growth. Ukraine was caught up in the worldwide economic crisis in 2008 and the economy plunged. GDP fell 20% from spring 2008 to spring 2009, then leveled off as analysts compared the magnitude of the downturn to the worst years of economic depression during the early 1990s.[10]