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Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - sekker - 03-20-2016
Commercial ARM chips using a 7nm fab process.
http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-and-tsmc-announce-multi-year-agreement-to-collaborate-on-7nm-finfet-process-technology-for-high.php
Re: Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - RAMd®d - 03-20-2016
I thought this was going to be a 7mm Mag. post.
Re: Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - srf1957 - 03-20-2016
RAMd®d wrote:
I thought this was going to be a 7mm Mag. post.
No . A 280 Ackley improved is the 7mm caliber to have now. In my part of the country.
Re: Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - Onamuji - 03-20-2016
sekker wrote:
Commercial ARM chips using a 7nm fab process.
http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-and-tsmc-announce-multi-year-agreement-to-collaborate-on-7nm-finfet-process-technology-for-high.php
...In about 10 years.
Re: Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - The UnDoug - 03-20-2016
I thought this was going to be about Donald Trump's hands. ;-)
Re: Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - pdq - 03-20-2016
Onamuji wrote:
[quote=sekker]
Commercial ARM chips using a 7nm fab process.
http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-and-tsmc-announce-multi-year-agreement-to-collaborate-on-7nm-finfet-process-technology-for-high.php
...In about 10 years.
If you believe the various rumor sites, it sounds like 10 nm later _this year_ ( altho perhaps not soon enough for the iPhone 7) and 7nm in 2018, possibly in time for the iP8.
Re: Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - Onamuji - 03-20-2016
pdq wrote:
[quote=Onamuji]
[quote=sekker]
Commercial ARM chips using a 7nm fab process.
http://www.arm.com/about/newsroom/arm-and-tsmc-announce-multi-year-agreement-to-collaborate-on-7nm-finfet-process-technology-for-high.php
...In about 10 years.
If you believe the various rumor sites, it sounds like 10 nm later _this year_ ( altho perhaps not soon enough for the iPhone 7) and 7nm in 2018, possibly in time for the iP8.
There's no doubt that they're trying. But so far, there are very few working 7nm chips in existence even in labs. Production is extremely difficult. EUV has a wavelength of 13.5nm. 10nm is not exactly easy to produce.
What's most likely to happen is what many manufacturers did when they hit the 14nm bump. They marketed larger chips as if they were smaller chips. The branding suggested that the chip was 14nm, but the fab was 22nm. Few people noticed the difference.
I expect "7nm" chips shipping in a 2018-2019 timeframe. But anything sold on the consumer-markets will be 14nm and 10nm chips being sold as 7nm. If there's a breakthrough then maybe we'll see real 7nm chips by 2020. Otherwise, mid-2020s.
Re: Who says bigger is better? 7nm, baby! - space-time - 03-21-2016
Onamuji wrote:
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There's no doubt that they're trying. But so far, there are very few working 7nm chips in existence even in labs. Production is extremely difficult. EUV has a wavelength of 13.5nm. 10nm is not exactly easy to produce.
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This. I make some of the lasers that produce the plasma that generates the EUV. It is a very difficult process to generate the 13.5 nm EUV. You start with several hundred kW of energy and shooting lasers beams at a tin droplet to generate some EUV, and then capture and direct it to the wafer with as few mirrors as possible, since each mirror reflect only ~80% of the light at 13.5 nm. Also they put these lasers in the basement and UV has to travel up stairs to the fab. Crazy complicated.