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Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - SteveG - 01-28-2019
Trump pulling out the troops, the Taliban getting the upper hand (victory?) means no matter what emerges, women rights as human being will be set back 1000 years.
I suspect that Trump does not mind throwing 50% of the Afghan population under the bus. Maybe he'll send them pictures of his victory parade in DC.
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - Ted King - 01-28-2019
The terrible truth is that the US didn't do the one thing that was probably the only thing that might have changed how our time in Afghanistan was going to end in terms of so many negative consequences - that thing was to make huge investments in troops to stabilize the country and then huge investments in making the lives of a large majority of people significantly better within a few years of the invasion. There's a good chance even that wouldn't have worked. Almost certainly shifting resources toward the war in Iraq almost inevitably doomed us to a day when we'd have to abandon people in Afghanistan that we were protecting. But, as I said, the whole thing could very well have been doomed from the outset.
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - hal - 01-29-2019
Stolen from my cousin's twitter account:
Women had to wear burqa under the #Taliban n late 1990s.They beat&whipped the ones who didn’t comply.With the strong possibility of a Taliban comeback,a young woman just jokingly said, insurgents have changed &R modern now. They will use taser instead of stick/whip to punish women.
PROGRESS!
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - Lemon Drop - 01-29-2019
It's 1989 all over again. The Soviets had a "peace deal" then too. They were desperate to get out of there, as the US is now. A few years later the country's president was assassinated and it fell into anarchy, and bin Laden and his band of crazies moved in.
Trump's signature diplomatic achievement is going to be leaving the Taliban in charge?
After all this?
To many analysts of the Afghanistan conflict, the details that have emerged so far in Mr. Khalilizad’s discussions with the Taliban suggested an American desperation for a withdrawal from a war regarded as unwinnable, rather than patience for a comprehensive peace deal that could ensure some of the most basic values the Americans have emphasized in their 18-year presence in the country.
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - rjmacs - 01-29-2019
Lemon Drop wrote:
It's 1989 all over again. The Soviets had a "peace deal" then too. They were desperate to get out of there, as the US is now. A few years later the country's president was assassinated and it fell into anarchy, and bin Laden and his band of crazies moved in.
Trump's signature diplomatic achievement is going to be leaving the Taliban in charge?
After all this?
To many analysts of the Afghanistan conflict, the details that have emerged so far in Mr. Khalilizad’s discussions with the Taliban suggested an American desperation for a withdrawal from a war regarded as unwinnable, rather than patience for a comprehensive peace deal that could ensure some of the most basic values the Americans have emphasized in their 18-year presence in the country.
The responsibility for this outcome rests on all three U.S. war-time presidents, their concomitant Congresses, and the public that elected them.
We failed them. I failed them. I could have done more, and I still can. Sometimes the U.S. isn't in the best position to address these issues (for so many reasons), but there are still people fighting for the women and girls of Afghanistan. We can still help them, and we owe it to them.
Anyone know much about Women for Afghan Women? Other suggestions?
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - max - 01-29-2019
Steve G. wrote:
Trump pulling out the troops, the Taliban getting the upper hand (victory?) means no matter what emerges, women rights as human being will be set back 1000 years.
An abject example of flaming hypocrisy.
You still have no problem with Dhimmy Carter and his Saudi buddies actually having done that, sending the women rights as human beings back1000 years...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
On the right, Afghani women before Dhimmy Carter and his Saudi henchmen got involved,
something SteveG constantly admires and supports, on the left, the fruits of their achievements.
Thanks SteveG....
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - Speedy - 01-29-2019
Ah, yes, a golden oldie from the Soviet Union Cold War era.
max wrote:
[quote=Steve G.]
Trump pulling out the troops, the Taliban getting the upper hand (victory?) means no matter what emerges, women rights as human being will be set back 1000 years.
An abject example of flaming hypocrisy.
You still have no problem with Dhimmy Carter and his Saudi buddies actually having done that, sending the women rights as human beings back1000 years...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone
On the right, Afghani women before Dhimmy Carter and his Saudi henchmen got involved,
something SteveG constantly admires and supports, on the left, the fruits of their achievements.
Thanks SteveG....
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - max - 01-29-2019
Speedy wrote:
Ah, yes, a golden oldie from the Soviet Union Cold War era.
Yes, Speedy, that was the same excuse for driving these women back 1000 years. that Dhimmy Caerer has been using.
That and starting the jihadi train that led to 9/11.
Interesting that you would defend it, Speedy.
Until now it was only SteveG.....
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - max - 01-29-2019
Women of Afghanistan, before SteveG's Dhimi Carter with his Saudi jihadis send them to burqa land...
1960s, under the monarchy...
Thanks Dhimmy Carter....
Re: Afghanistan settlement means curtains for women's rights - Lemon Drop - 01-29-2019
If anyone is interested in learning more about the tumultuous (and correct) history of Afghanistan, this is a very good timeline and high level overview:
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/asia-jan-june11-timeline-afghanistan