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PHEV-ish - Fritz - 02-19-2022
been looking into a new set of wheels.
I prefer a sedan, but round here, it's all SUV and becoming uncomfortable trying to see what's coming.
I'm interested in a PHEV, but wonder if anyone here has PHEV'd in the last couple years and found it to be advantageous, fiscally, environmentally and tech-wise. Or are you sorry you gave up your Yugo or '69 ZL1.
Gas vs electric bill, L2 charger, getting on a short ramped hi way, around town, on the road, blah, blah, blah.
I just looked at the NYS incentives for a mid-level PHEV SUV and it was a $ loss over 5 years.
Not very electrifying. Even with gas creeping to $4 and I doubt the cost of E will be going down any time soon.
Re: PHEV-ish - Racer X - 02-19-2022
Right now is a bad time to buy. Low inventory and lots of vehicles are selling above MSRP because of it.
Re: PHEV-ish - Fritz - 02-19-2022
yea, that's for sure. it may be a year before, but got to start research at some point. Like medicare.
Re: PHEV-ish - graylocks - 02-19-2022
I love my 2013 Volt. Just put in an alert to Carvana for a 2019 as they should start coming off lease right about now. lousy time to actually pull the trigger though.
i went from $125 or so a month in gas to a $12 increase in my electric bill. the math works.
Re: PHEV-ish - DinerDave - 02-19-2022
graylocks wrote:
I love my 2013 Volt. Just put in an alert to Carvana for a 2019 as they should start coming off lease right about now. lousy time to actually pull the trigger though.
i went from $125 or so a month in gas to a $12 increase in my electric bill. the math works.
I'm loving my 2017 Volt also. EV aside, the car is the most comfortable, quiet, technologically advance car I have owned. Keeps up with anything on the highway, feels fast if driven that way.
I put gas in it 5 times since September, computer says 109.6 MPG since I bought it. Where gray locks added $12 +/- to his electric bill, I don't have one. My solar panels provide more than I need. Now I'm waiting for Subaru's EV as a possible upgrade to my wife's Crosstrek, or maybe Hyundai's Ioniq 5 or Kia's EV6.
No car is cost effective as a want. A need is a different story however.
Dave
Re: PHEV-ish - Markintosh - 02-20-2022
Besides the Volt, no hybrid has ever made sense to me, at least fiscally. The cost of purchase far outweighs the savings in gas. But people buy them...
Personally, we took a long hard look at our use case and ended up going full EV with our Bolt for our primary vehicle. We have a Subaru Crosstrek that is there for the outlier trips, but I honestly dont think we need that anymore other than it has AWD for the worst weather days.
We have a Tacoma, which we probably don't really need. A simple trailer or occasional rental could probably meet our needs just fine.
Then there's our camper van...which gets about 1500 miles of use a year. We camp close by...
Looking at miles driven over the last year for our other vehicles:
Bolt EV: 8500 miles
Crosstrek: 2400 miles
Tacoma: 900 miles
E-Bikes: 2600 total miles
I would encourage more people to do soul searching about what you really need.
Re: PHEV-ish - p8712 - 02-20-2022
Bolt.
Re: PHEV-ish - TheCaber - 02-20-2022
Wife & I are very happy with our 2018 Toyota Prius Prime PHEV. 30+ miles on full battery charge, then ICE kicks in (also assists in high demand accel and running defroster). 65+ MPG. Full tank lasts a long time (300+mi) at highway speed. Wife says the interior appointments are better than those in her mom's 2020 Toyota Camry XLE.
Only current issue is the 'back up warning beep' when in Reverse gear; it only sounds INSIDE the prius, not at all outside. This is a dangerous non-feature with a mostly silent vehicle in a parking lot. It may have been corrected since 2018, but I won't bet on it. The beeper can be turned off but that just keeps your sanity intact, doesn't help pedestrians nearby...
The "Lane Nanny" feature is hair-trigger sensitive, and continues beeping long after steering correction is applied. It can be turned off as well
After 3 years, the battery is starting to fade a little (longer to charge, faster discharge in use), but not badly.
YMMV of course
Re: PHEV-ish - Racer X - 02-20-2022
TheCaber wrote:
Wife & I are very happy with our 2018 Toyota Prius Prime PHEV. 30+ miles on full battery charge, then ICE kicks in (also assists in high demand accel and running defroster). 65+ MPG. Full tank lasts a long time (300+mi) at highway speed. Wife says the interior appointments are better than those in her mom's 2020 Toyota Camry XLE.
I'm surprised your range on the highway is that bad. My '13 Prius Plug-In gets 400+ miles on the freeway. Did they shrink the fuel tank? I usually cruise about 70ish around western Washington, and about 75ish in eastern Washington. I run it down until the car says my range is about 0, and I put in just over 8 gallons. It is a 10? gallon tank. Never run fuel injected vehicles out of fuel. The "reserve" fuel in the tank is to cool the electric in-tank fuel pump.
Re: PHEV-ish - wurm - 02-20-2022
I'm betting it's been discussed Ad nauseam in the past, but with so many people loving their Volts, why the heck would Chevy stop making them?