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Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - Carnos Jax - 03-01-2023
wrote: New Toyota CEO, with eye on Tesla, plots next-gen EV platform push. Grudging admiration for Tesla helps reinforce a stark realization at Toyota. For all its expertise in electrification going back to the first Prius hybrid, Toyota needs a great leap forward for the new era of full electrics.
https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/how-toyotas-new-ceo-koji-sato-plans-get-real-about-evs
There are many that still think Tesla quality sucks (I keep hearing this claim repeated), but most familiar with Tesla know this not to be true.
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - Carnos Jax - 03-01-2023
Free reading link:
https://archive.ph/PE0AZ
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - Tiangou - 03-01-2023
Carnos Jax wrote:
[quote=]New Toyota CEO, with eye on Tesla, plots next-gen EV platform push. Grudging admiration for Tesla helps reinforce a stark realization at Toyota. For all its expertise in electrification going back to the first Prius hybrid, Toyota needs a great leap forward for the new era of full electrics.
https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/how-toyotas-new-ceo-koji-sato-plans-get-real-about-evs
There are many that still think Tesla quality sucks (I keep hearing this claim repeated), but most familiar with Tesla know this not to be true.
Tesla quality is inconsistent. Every time this subject is raised with mention of a new defect, fanboys keep saying that the body-panel-fit problems have been solved. It's not always about the body panels.
Tesla post-sales service is non-existent.
Tesla's designs were once cutting-edge, but are rapidly approaching obsolescence.
Tesla's tablet-controls are insanely stupid, dangerous, and infuriating.
Tesla has been using their customers as Guinea pigs to test their robotic driving controls, putting lives at risk.
Some of these things were (perhaps) forgivable in a startup. Not in a mainstream auto-manufacturer.
This is a bad time for their CEO to be out playing with his new toys instead of running the company. It puts the future of the company into question as those with more experience at bringing successful vehicles to market catch up and speed past them on the tech, but without the safety, service, and drivability baggage.
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - Filliam H. Muffman - 03-01-2023
Thanks. That's the water leak issue I mentioned on Sunday.
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - Carnos Jax - 03-01-2023
Tiangou wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
[quote=]New Toyota CEO, with eye on Tesla, plots next-gen EV platform push. Grudging admiration for Tesla helps reinforce a stark realization at Toyota. For all its expertise in electrification going back to the first Prius hybrid, Toyota needs a great leap forward for the new era of full electrics.
https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/how-toyotas-new-ceo-koji-sato-plans-get-real-about-evs
There are many that still think Tesla quality sucks (I keep hearing this claim repeated), but most familiar with Tesla know this not to be true.
Tesla quality is inconsistent. Every time this subject is raised with mention of a new defect, fanboys keep saying that the body-panel-fit problems have been solved. It's not always about the body panels.
Tesla post-sales service is non-existent.
Tesla's designs were once cutting-edge, but are rapidly approaching obsolescence.
Tesla's tablet-controls are insanely stupid, dangerous, and infuriating.
Tesla has been using their customers as Guinea pigs to test their robotic driving controls, putting lives at risk.
Some of these things were (perhaps) forgivable in a startup. Not in a mainstream auto-manufacturer.
This is a bad time for their CEO to be out playing with his new toys instead of running the company. It puts the future of the company into question as those with more experience at bringing successful vehicles to market catch up and speed past them on the tech, but without the safety, service, and drivability baggage.
All false except the last one.
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - JoeH - 03-01-2023
Notably the article talks about what the Toyota engineers was "under the skin". It was the engineering in the drivetrain and the controls that thy are talking about being impressed by, not the vehicle as a whole.
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - cbelt3 - 03-01-2023
JoeH wrote:
Notably the article talks about what the Toyota engineers was "under the skin". It was the engineering in the drivetrain and the controls that thy are talking about being impressed by, not the vehicle as a whole.
Yeah..... most of my ilk don't really care about the aesthetics... We think the hidden stuff.. space frames, transmissions, motor designs... those are where the beauty lies.
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - gabester - 03-01-2023
Carnos Jax wrote:
[quote=Tiangou]
Tesla's tablet-controls are insanely stupid, dangerous, and infuriating.
All false except the last one.
I just have to interject specifically that touch screen controls which require looking at and touching an 2D image based control (as opposed to a physical button than can be activated by position and feel alone) have been scientifically proven to diminish operators' focus on other tasks.
See this thread about the touchbar: https://forums.macresource.com/read.php?1,2812339,2814226#msg-2814226
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - clay - 03-01-2023
gabester wrote:
[quote=Carnos Jax]
[quote=Tiangou]
Tesla's tablet-controls are insanely stupid, dangerous, and infuriating.
All false except the last one.
I just have to interject specifically that touch screen controls which require looking at and touching an 2D image based control (as opposed to a physical button than can be activated by position and feel alone) have been scientifically proven to diminish operators' focus on other tasks.
See this thread about the touchbar: https://forums.macresource.com/read.php?1,2812339,2814226#msg-2814226
It's cheaper to manufacture touchscreens and also more flexible for the manufacturer to release software updates down the lines and change the look and functionality of touchscreens. BUT, all of this at the cost of usability (not having to look at controls) for the driver, as you note.
I assume that touch panels will continue to be used in cars going forward, but I would love to see more things going back to physical buttons.
Re: Toyota executive: "Taking the skin off the Model Y, it was truly a work of art" - Acer - 03-01-2023
My cars, which predate touchscreens in cars by a couple years, all have basic input selection, volume controls and preset station tuning on the steering wheel. Is that still a thing in Tesla and other touch-screen cars?