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Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - SteveG - 10-25-2023
as he continues to lie right to the judge's face
Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order
https://thehill.com/regulation/court-battles/4275041-trump-takes-the-witness-stand-in-new-york-fraud-trial-fined-10k-for-violating-gag-order/
NEW YORK — Former President Trump has been fined $10,000 for violating a gag order that prevented him from speaking about those overseeing his civil fraud trial in New York.
In an unexpected twist, Trump was sworn in as a witness to respond to allegations he violated the gag order against him in his fraud case by commenting about a court secretary.
Trump slowly ascended the stand, straightening his blue jacket when sitting down. He took an oath to tell the truth and turned his attention toward the judge.
Judge Arthur Engoron asked whether Trump made the reported comment that he is a “very partisan judge with a person who is very partisan sitting alongside him, perhaps even more partisan than he is.” Trump nodded, responding “yes.”
“To whom were you referring?” Engoron asked.
“You and Cohen,” Trump replied.
“Are you sure that you didn’t mean the person on the other side, my principal law clerk?” Engoron asked.
“Yes, I’m sure,” Trump said.
The former president, when prompted, additionally commented that he believes the judge’s clerk is “very biased against us” and explained that he took down the previous Truth Social post that sparked the gag order.
The gag order was originally imposed after Trump’s Truth Social account derided the clerk as Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer’s (D-N.Y.) “girlfriend” and included personally identifying information about her. Engoron ordered Trump to take down the post, and it was removed from Truth Social.
However, the post remained on Trump’s campaign website for an additional 17 days. When Engoron was informed of that, he imposed a $5,000 fine on Trump for violating the order.
Trump said on the stand that he believes “one of the political groups, or PACS” left it up.
“But I didn’t know they were gonna do that,” Trump said.
Through his short testimony, Trump maintained a glum face. When he trailed back to his seat, he looked at the floor.
Once Trump was seated, Engoron issued his order to fine Trump $10,000 “on the liberal side.”
“As the trier of fact, I find that the witness is not credible,” Engoron said.
Trump attorney Chris Kise objected to the order, suggesting the judge “presupposed some ill motive” on Trump’s behalf.
Kise and Trump’s other attorneys also claimed that the closeness of Engoron’s clerk to him has essentially made her a “second judge” in the case. The attorneys previously raised issue with Engoron and his clerk’s whispered sidebars, which sometimes include eye-rolling or sighs of exasperation.
Engoron rejected their objections and their assertions about his clerk’s role in his decision-making.
“I make the final decisions,” Engoron said.
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - hal - 10-25-2023
Trump takes every inch given and then looks for more...
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - Ombligo - 10-25-2023
“As the trier of fact, I find that the witness is not credible,” Engoron said.
And that is now on the record.
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - Ted King - 10-25-2023
Ombligo wrote:
“As the trier of fact, I find that the witness is not credible,” Engoron said.
And that is now on the record.
Love it. Most of the rest of us are not triers of fact in a court setting but you don't have to have a particularly strong aptitude for trying facts to see that Trump is almost always not credible.
I foresee a lot of cheeseburger wrappers on the floor his apartment or plane this evening. And the suck ups genuflecting over and over as he rants.
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - btfc - 10-25-2023
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - SteveG - 10-25-2023
btfc wrote:
Notice any difference?
according to the New York Post sketch artist
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - hal - 10-25-2023
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - Ca Bob - 10-25-2023
It's interesting that the judge has gotten Trump on something that the Donald would never have imagined would be at issue, namely a rude remark about a member of the court staff. This is something right out of an old Columbo episode, in the sense that Trump just didn't imagine that any person in power would have any thought about an underling. The other thing about Trump has been obvious for many years, and is described often enough as "transactional." It's actually considerably worse, because transactional fits Richard Nixon, for example, but Nixon could be embarrassed and would make this clear. Nixon just traded favor for favor. But Trump imagines that all human interactions are simply quid pro quo, and if you don't get your own quo, you are a sucker. Thus to Trump, dead American soldiers and marines were suckers, because what did they get for their service? And why should he go out in the rain in their honor?
So to Trump, it is impossible to comprehend that a judge would be acting honestly and honorably by upholding the law as it is. To Trump, the judge is either on his side or against him, and if the latter, then Trump accuses the judge of being prejudiced or biased; those who are for.him receive the standard list of Trump positives, which by now sound weird to the rest of us.
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - Racer X - 10-25-2023
good. words can have consequences.
Re: Trump takes the witness stand in New York fraud trial, fined $10K for violating gag order - N-OS X-tasy! - 10-25-2023
Steve G. wrote:
[quote=btfc]
Notice any difference?
according to the New York Post sketch artist
Wha'cha doin' with those hands underneath the table, Donnie?