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NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - Ted King - 05-15-2024
One of the weakest links of democracy - low information voters:
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/15/upshot/abortion-biden-trump-blame.html
Nearly one in five voters in battleground states says that President Biden is responsible for ending the constitutional right to abortion, a new poll found, despite the fact that he supports abortion rights and that his opponent Donald J. Trump appointed three Supreme Court justices who made it possible to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Trump supporters and voters with less education were most likely to attribute responsibility for abortion bans to Mr. Biden, but the misperception existed across demographic groups. Twelve percent of Democrats hold Mr. Biden responsible, according to New York Times/Siena College polls in Arizona, Georgia, Michigan, Nevada and Wisconsin and a Times/Philadelphia Inquirer/Siena poll in Pennsylvania.
“I think the buck stops with him, so he had the ability to fight that, and that’s not what I’m hearing that he did,” said Terri Yonemura, 62, an abortion rights supporter in Las Vegas who said she would not vote for Mr. Trump, but is unsure about Mr. Biden, so may not vote at all.
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Many voters who held Mr. Biden responsible said they simply didn’t pay close attention to politics or government affairs. For some, the confusion came from the fact that the Supreme Court’s Dobbs decision happened while Mr. Biden was president.
DeLana Marsh, 30, of Holly Springs, Ga., supports abortion rights and opposes a new Georgia law that bans abortions after six weeks of pregnancy: “I don’t think a group of men should be able to decide that for us.”
But she said she was under the impression that Mr. Biden was responsible because it happened during his presidency, and she believed his age prevented him from closely tracking such events.
Other voters said Mr. Biden hadn’t done enough to stop state abortion bans. (He has criticized the Dobbs decision and enacted certain federal policies to support abortion rights, and does not have the authority to reverse state laws.)
“There should be no restrictions on abortion whatsoever,” said Ana Juarez Ramirez, 18, of Nogales, Ariz. Yet he says Mr. Biden made empty promises on many issues, including abortion.
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - Lux Interior - 05-15-2024
Willful ignorance.
Proudly, willfully ignorant.
Fiercely, proudly, willfully ignorant.
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - Speedy - 05-15-2024
They won’t vote, anyway.
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - DeusxMac - 05-15-2024
“We won with poorly educated…" "I love the poorly educated!"
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - special - 05-15-2024
Speedy wrote:
They won’t vote, anyway.
This is my hope too.
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - Mr645 - 05-15-2024
Who was president when it was overturned?
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - Ted King - 05-15-2024
Mr645 wrote:
Who was president when it was overturned?
miley-laughing001:
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - pdq - 05-15-2024
Yeah - it's a blast from the (recent) past, when Repubs in the House and Senate blocked everything Obama tried to do, and then said complained he didn't get anything done.
There are suckers born every minute.
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - DeusxMac - 05-15-2024
Mr645 wrote:
Who was president when it was overturned?
You keep saying that, but you clearly haven’t got a clue..,
Trump: “After 50 years of failure, with nobody coming even close, I was able to kill Roe v. Wade, much to the ‘shock’ of everyone...”
MAGA headgear
“We won with poorly educated…" "I love the poorly educated!"
Re: NYT: "Seventeen Percent of Voters Blame Biden for the End of Roe" - Acer - 05-15-2024
I was thinking about this old chestnut: "RBG should have retired under Obama"
She would have had to retire during the first two years of Obama's first term to avoid McConnell. Her health was not actually dire then--she lasted another decade.
Even if he could not simply block the appointment for 6 years, McConnell could have forced Obama to appoint a moderate who might be bought with an RV or a fancy vacation or a real estate deal or to get a son out of a bind when the 5th vote was needed.
We talked about this before, but that last part, about influencing a Justice at a key moment with favors is a much more realistic scenario given what we have learned recently.