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Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - space-time - 01-27-2008
For years they release printers with CD/DVD capabilities in other markets but they refuse to enable these features in the US market. I almost bought a printer in Europe, but the hassle of carrying it on a plane and dealing with US customs and voltage conversion turned me off. And no, I will not use an Epson or HP for this purpose. Maybe a Kodak one day.
Now Canon just release two new printers, one that seems like a breakthrough in terms of quality. The PIXMA MX7600 uses a special coating to print high-quality images on plain paper. And the PIXMA MX850 seems loaded with tons of features such as "Auto duplex scan and copy, high speed 35 page Auto Document Feeder (ADF) Auto duplex print/copy, 2 way paper feeding and CD/DVD print", but I check Canon USA web page and no mention of CD/DVD print, I think again this feature is available on the European market but it is disabled in the US.
Come on Canon, pay the damn license fee and give us what we want.
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - Chupa Chupa - 01-27-2008
Are you sure Epson wants to license the patent? My guess is either they don't or Epson's asking price isn't justifiable. As far as I'm concerned there is no reason to by an Epson except for the optical media printing capability. I'm sure Epson knows this is a huge marketing exclusive and doubt they want to share. You'll have to either wait for the patent to expire or buy a gray market Canon kit.
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - robfilms - 01-27-2008
i don't disagree with the sentiment and opinions expressed above but i am more than pleased with my epson r200 cd/dvd printer even with its klunky operations, poor interface and tedious loading mechanism.
for me, the bottom line is: i can make cd/dvd titles that can be sent directly to clients at a fraction of the cost i would spend to have them mastered from an outside vendor.
just one person's opinion. ymmv
be well
rob
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - Bernie - 01-27-2008
I have a Canon iP4000 that I lied to to make it think it was in Europe. Then I downloaded the CD Label Print program. Oh yeah, I ordered the tray on eBay. It is the last Canon made that you can use generic ink with. Let me rephrase that to cartridges that do not have electronics attached and cost under $3.00 a pop anywhere.
Epson and I fell out a long time ago.
We had like four 740i's that epson credited us for. No I did not even use my Epson credit on a scanner. I just let my lawsuit credit blow. I think they were suppose to send a check. Aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh enough already!
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - MacMagus - 01-27-2008
> Are you sure Epson wants to license the patent? My guess is either they don't or Epson's
> asking price isn't justifiable.
If they don't offer reasonable terms to license it, that's a clear-cut case of patent-abuse and Canon can get the patent revoked.
That Canon hasn't sued Epson under this premise suggests to me that they have entered into an agreement regarding that matter. Presumably, such an agreement also offers concessions for Canon, suggesting further that the two have entered into an illicit cartel. Call it the "ink" cartel.
'Sound far-fetched to you?
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - Zoidberg - 01-27-2008
I modified my Canon iP4000 to print CDs. Excellent results. You could also buy a non-US Canon off of eBay, but I already had the iP4000 and was willing to tinker with it to see if I could get it to work. I don't print enough discs to sweat replacing it (or I'd get a dedicated disc printer, like that new one from Dymo).
And what MacMagus said; that sounds about right.
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - JoeH - 01-27-2008
Define "reasonable terms". In a legal sense that is a very slippery phrase, subject to interpretation and reinterpretation for every case. In a legal sense Epson might be asking for a reasonable amount in that it might not be for instance asking $50 per printer on units that sell for $100, but be more than Canon and other makers want to pay. And each royalty or license payment cuts into their profit, or they have to increase their prices which might make their product less competitive to the majority of the buyers who do not print on disks. In the end there does not need to be any agreement at all, just the decision that the legal cost to get the license price declared "unreasonable" outweighs any potential profit by doing so.
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - Todd's keyboard - 01-27-2008
Have you looked at Canon's Canadian site?
http://estore.canon.ca/product_catalogue/cat_product_detail.asp
The claim is that the Pixma iP4500 prints directly to DVDs and CDs.
Might be worth keeping the Canadian option on your radar.
Todd's northern keyboard
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - space-time - 01-27-2008
Todd,
I wonder how could I have missed that. I went to Canada only a month ago. Thanks
Re: Canon is so damn stubborn when it comes to printing CD/DVDs in the US - Chupa Chupa - 01-27-2008
[quote MacMagus]> Are you sure Epson wants to license the patent? My guess is either they don't or Epson's
> asking price isn't justifiable.
If they don't offer reasonable terms to license it, that's a clear-cut case of patent-abuse and Canon can get the patent revoked.
That Canon hasn't sued Epson under this premise suggests to me that they have entered into an agreement regarding that matter. Presumably, such an agreement also offers concessions for Canon, suggesting further that the two have entered into an illicit cartel. Call it the "ink" cartel.
'Sound far-fetched to you?
What JoeH said, regarding what is "reasonable." Also you can't assume the two are conspiring. It just may be litigation isn't worth the trouble for Canon or might open up a can of worms Canon doesn't want to deal with. There are other printer companies like Kodak & HP. Why haven't they sued or are they part of the ink mafia too?