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"Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - Black Landlord - 04-28-2008 Energizing article. http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/28/politics/main4049211.shtml Rev. Wright Fights Back Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - guitarist - 04-28-2008 I didn't see the National Press Club appearance (don't know if it was broadcast) but I saw the NCAAP speech, it was truly bizarre, but entertaining. His ideas are more separatist than I realized. But it may have been a factor of the audience he was addressing. I'd be curious to see the other appearances. Though I'd be equally happy (and so would Obama's campaign, I imagine) if he wasn't actively seeking the spotlight. Any time he opens his mouth it gives opponents ammunition and Democrat supporters a headache. Which isn't so say I think he should avoid public appearances or mute his opinions, but it's become a sideshow. It promotes a spirit of embattled solidarity and adversarial honor for a certain sector of loyal supporters, but doesn't convince the mainstream of anything, except "why is he on the news again?" Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - Black Landlord - 04-28-2008 [quote guitarist] His ideas are more separatist than I realized. I'm not getting that. Can you give any specific examples? Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - Black Landlord - 04-29-2008 Here's a little gem for those who can never get enough of the 50-something white male perspective: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/28/politics/main4050606.shtml Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - guitarist - 04-29-2008 I wish I had the transcript. It's probably out there, maybe I'll look for it. Keep in mind he was speaking to the NAACP, a specific kind of audience. I'm not trying to hold the speech to a standard that's not consistent with the context and audience. He was making the case that African American children learn differently. His case was built on a peculiar right-brain, left-brain argument, explaining how African language, music, and culture evolved one way, and white European culture evolved another way, using examples in beat accents in musical rhythm, language orientation, etc. Not new territory, but not the most enlightened or original approach to the subject, either. To make his examples more entertaining, Wright made fun of Lyndon Johnson's, Ted Kennedy, and JFK's speaking styles, flamboyantly mocking their Boston and southern accents. (imagine Billy Graham or Pat Robertson mocking the way black people talk, from a podium at a formal dinner) Wright would break into song, or do imaginary dialogues to make his linguistic points. It was an extension of what stand-up comedians do but when comics do it, they're not pretending to be serious and academic about it. Wright was being academic and serious about it. The message was: "white people are this way, black people are this other way, we're fundamentally different". My problem with the subject-object-oriented learning lecture, and the African and European Heritage lecture is that A. we're not in Africa, or Europe, we're in America. And B. black kids don't have some genetic brain variation that makes their cognitive development any different than Caucasian or Asian or Indian kids. We're all born here, and our brains aren't different. Whatever link we have to our European or African distant past is no more meaningful than the distant links other peoples have to their great great grandparent's homeland. It was almost as if he was rationalizing or excusing low performance, or challenging educational standards, because they were invented by white people to measure the intelligence of other white people. I can't imagine a speaker with great grandparents from Brazil, Iceland, or Australia, making a case for how their children are educationally "misunderstood" because of some fundamental cognitive differences. His linguistics and music lecture seemed to suggest that these are innate genetic differences, and the White Power System can't measure it because it's using the wrong tools. I think that's baloney. Here I'm inclined to agree with Bill Cosby's critique of black leadership priorities, and Cosby's educational emphasis self-reliance and strong parental involvement, over quibbling about historic inequities or systemic flaws, while not completely invalid, it's just the wrong direction to go in, it's not productive. I thought the speech showcased Wright's divisive or separatist side. Mocking the way white people talk just made him look foolish. At the risk of oversimplifying, the ongoing theme was "us" vs. "them". Those white people who came from Europe. This may be a popular theme in academia, but it's contrary to the message of equality and unity that most of us associate with spiritual and civic leaders. Having said all that, I don't mean to suggest Wright is under any obligation to be any different than he is, if this is his message, that's his message. And whether it's the right message or the wrong message isn't for me to decide. But that's what struck me about it, it was coming from a separatist school of thought, using examples that I thought had long ago been discredited as mumbo jumbo pseudo-scientific social theory. Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - guitarist - 04-29-2008 [quote Black Landlord]Here's a little gem for those who can never get enough of the 50-something white male perspective: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/28/politics/main4050606.shtml Hate to correct BL when he's on a roll, but... how about the "Manhattan-Jewish-Yale-Law-Graduate-former-Kennedy-Speechwriter" point of view. Jeff Greenfield has about as much in common with the average 50-something-white-male perspective as Snoop Dog has in common with Barbara Walters. Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - Black Landlord - 04-29-2008 Strange-- I though research did seem to support differences in the way our brains are wired (across various races). There are plenty of undeniable differences in other physiology-- skin makeup, most obviously, but we're clearly affected differently by dietary differences, have markedly different risk factors for various diseases, do different things with body fat distribution, etc. There are also significant differences in our cultures, even in homogenous borg-like America; to suggest that (for example) black folks have the same influences as white because we all live in the same country, and thus that the influence on our development is the same is just not kosher, and I can't see how it would be possible to hold this perception without extremely limited exposure to black culture(s). In any event, maybe Wright's comments are not "productive"-- but as he said he's not in politics and he's not running for oval office. It ws very fair of you to give a nod to the audience for which this speech was intended-- a community leader takes a different focus when working to strengthen a community internally than when representing that community externally. Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - Black Landlord - 04-29-2008 [quote guitarist][quote Black Landlord]Here's a little gem for those who can never get enough of the 50-something white male perspective: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/04/28/politics/main4050606.shtml Hate to correct BL when he's on a roll, but... how about the "Manhattan-Jewish-Yale-Law-Graduate-former-Kennedy-Speechwriter" point of view. Jeff Greenfield has about as much in common with the average 50-something-white-male perspective as Snoop Dog has in common with Barbara Walters. OK, yeah, I know-- but he's stuck to that same mainstream white guy reaction of "but--but-but-- what about the offensive soundbytes??Completely unrepentant!!" Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - guitarist - 04-29-2008 [quote Black Landlord] OK, yeah, I know-- but he's stuck to that same mainstream white guy reaction of "but--but-but-- what about the offensive soundbytes??Completely unrepentant!!" I see your point, but limiting that reaction to only coming from "middle-aged, middle-class white guys" might actually be wrong. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of black people, or poor people, or hispanics, or other non-mainstream or disenfranchised groups--who also happen to be patriotic and share common ideals--ALSO find Wright's opinions and unrepentant stance to be offensive. I think it's why I commented earlier that this media attention and unrepentant posturing is scoring big points inside a certain community of like-minded loyalists, "strengthening the base", so to speak. But it further alienates the mainstream, many of whom who are turned off by the *^I!! America!" coming from someone who has prospered and lived comfortably in America, more comfortably than most of us have. It's offensive to other minority groups who aren't particularly loyal or allied with this core base. Meaning, not just mainstream white people are turned off by it. If Wright's had opportunities to reach across the divide and promote unity, he's elected not to take those opportunities, preferring to rally his base, and pose as a victim of media misunderstanding instead. Re: "Truth to Power"-- Wright speaks out - Black Landlord - 04-29-2008 To quote Wright, did you listen to that whole sermon? |