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Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - Dennis S - 04-09-2009
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Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - jdc - 04-09-2009
Nope.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - Racer X - 04-09-2009
It won't see more than 128 gigs of them, if that is what you are asking. It is only the 2002 models that will. Those are 867 and 1 Ghz models.
You can get a PCI P-ATA 100/133 card, or get a S-ATA card, and then use any size drive you want. OR, use the Intech Speed Tools hard drive drivers, and do it that way. OWC sells the software.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - JoeH - 04-09-2009
My understanding is no, it will not. That was added to the second run of QS model G4'sand required running at least a certain version of OS X as I recall. There were some rumors of some QS models sold just before the bump to the 2002 models having support, but confirmation of this was sketchy. You can run larger drives through software drivers such as Intech's, or by installing a PCI card that supported larger drives. Otherwise you can install drives larger than 128 GB, but they will initialize to 128 GB.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - Racer X - 04-09-2009
My gut on those late production pre 2002 models tells me that the IDE controller was the newer version.
I have a late production Rev 1 B&W with the later Rev 2 IDE controller that suppoorts master and slave configuration.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - C(-)ris - 04-09-2009
JoeH wrote:
My understanding is no, it will not. That was added to the second run of QS model G4'sand required running at least a certain version of OS X as I recall. There were some rumors of some QS models sold just before the bump to the 2002 models having support, but confirmation of this was sketchy. You can run larger drives through software drivers such as Intech's, or by installing a PCI card that supported larger drives. Otherwise you can install drives larger than 128 GB, but they will initialize to 128 GB.
It is not likely. Anyone who runs across an earlier one with a newer board installed it was likely after it left the factory. Either in service or someone upgraded it.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - JoeH - 04-09-2009
As Racer X mentions, it is probably a later IDE controller chip on the later production QS models from just before the 2002 models were introduced that January. These reports were supposedly from persons who had theirs straight from Apple, never been repaired or had a logic board exchange. Even LowendMac lists that they have had conflicting reports on persons being able to use large drives in the early QS models. From xlr8yourmac there is this report:
"Installed this 200GB WD HD into my PowerMac G4/867 (QuickSilver) as the 2nd drive on the IDE bus with the factory 60GB one. Disk Utility 10.2, running under Mac OS X 10.2.3 (build 6G30), formatted it to 186.29GB."
That is also a 2001 QS model. Confusing things is that Apple also sold a 733 MHz Education only model of the QS in 2002 that has the same ROM and logic board as the rest of the 2002 QS models.
P.S. Looks like at least 10.2 was required. Unless some other aspects were met, partitions over 128 GB would not be recognized when booted into OS 9. That was one of the specific changes to the version of OS 9.2 shipped with the last models of the MDD G4, iMac and eMac that could boot into OS 9 compared to the retail version. Apple added support to that version since they supported drives larger than 128 GB.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - Racer X - 04-09-2009
one of those QS 733 machines had almost no backside cache, and was a complete pig.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - JoeH - 04-09-2009
Racer X wrote:
one of those QS 733 machines had almost no backside cache, and was a complete pig.
Both of the QS 733 machines(2001 and Edu 2002) had no L3 cache, and only 256 KB of L2 on-chip cache. The DA 733 model(first shipped at 667 MHz) had L3 cache.
Re: Will Quicksilver 733 fully run hard drives bigger than 120 GBs? - goosegunner - 04-10-2009
The 867mhz wasn't a 2002 model. It was 800, 933, dual 1gig.
There might have been a 867 education model at one point but I can't remember for sure....anyone?
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